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https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/07/27/mormon-feminists-urge-lds/
>>Mormon feminists urge LDS authorities to remind local leaders that breastfeeding isn’t sexual
Note to "Mormon Feminists": I seriously doubt there are any LDS authorities, or local leaders who could discuss this subject without blushing...
Hmmm, I feel a song coming on... "Mammaries... From the corner of my eye..."
Apologies to Shummy for stealing his joke, but it was so good it deserved an encore...
>>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no written policy regarding breastfeeding in its buildings. Church spokesman Eric Hawkins declined to comment on the request for such a policy or the women’s push for a statement of support.
>>This campaign was spawned by a breastfeeding incident that Salisbury reported earlier this week on Exponent II’s blog, which has generated hundreds of comments and outrage.
>>An LDS stake president, who oversees a handful of congregations, refused a “temple recommend” for a woman who nursed her 18-month-old child in the foyer of a Mormon meetinghouse without covering up.
Bound to be some great one-liners in the Comments section...
John 724: "Better put up a Zion Curtain that is at least shoulder height."
Tuffasagong: "You should see the old brethren light up when they see an ankle!"
Again513: "They're still bragging about NEVER having seen their spouses naked. It's a good thing."
chantelcooke: "What if they breastfeed, but cover their porn shoulders?"
I'm doubtful about this next one, but it's a good story nevertheless...
SS: "I had a student who served a mission in Micronesia. One day he was teaching a woman who was breastfeeding her child. When the child finished, she whistled, and in ran a little piglet, who enthusiastically took over. Culture shock indeed."
And the winner is...
Salticid: "Was it Fast Sunday? What on earth was that woman doing feeding an infant when it should be devoutly starved to show its worth."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2018 04:03PM by SL Cabbie.
>>Mormon feminists urge LDS authorities to remind local leaders that breastfeeding isn’t sexual
Note to "Mormon Feminists": I seriously doubt there are any LDS authorities, or local leaders who could discuss this subject without blushing...
Hmmm, I feel a song coming on... "Mammaries... From the corner of my eye..."
Apologies to Shummy for stealing his joke, but it was so good it deserved an encore...
>>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no written policy regarding breastfeeding in its buildings. Church spokesman Eric Hawkins declined to comment on the request for such a policy or the women’s push for a statement of support.
>>This campaign was spawned by a breastfeeding incident that Salisbury reported earlier this week on Exponent II’s blog, which has generated hundreds of comments and outrage.
>>An LDS stake president, who oversees a handful of congregations, refused a “temple recommend” for a woman who nursed her 18-month-old child in the foyer of a Mormon meetinghouse without covering up.
Bound to be some great one-liners in the Comments section...
John 724: "Better put up a Zion Curtain that is at least shoulder height."
Tuffasagong: "You should see the old brethren light up when they see an ankle!"
Again513: "They're still bragging about NEVER having seen their spouses naked. It's a good thing."
chantelcooke: "What if they breastfeed, but cover their porn shoulders?"
I'm doubtful about this next one, but it's a good story nevertheless...
SS: "I had a student who served a mission in Micronesia. One day he was teaching a woman who was breastfeeding her child. When the child finished, she whistled, and in ran a little piglet, who enthusiastically took over. Culture shock indeed."
And the winner is...
Salticid: "Was it Fast Sunday? What on earth was that woman doing feeding an infant when it should be devoutly starved to show its worth."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2018 04:03PM by SL Cabbie.
I wonder how many ym blamed masturbation on the breastfeeding. Ym sending video ck inside the chapel. Omly takes 1 pervert, like the guy that videos inside bathrooms.
Formule has only been in constant use about50 years. My grandchild. She has bettrr form, growth spurts than those my daughter babysits. I know the value of breastfeedjin. However there are creeps out there that can go from uncomfortable to dangerous wthout the woman doing anything more than feeding her child. We have oversexuaized a human feeding source by fashion and augmenting breast sizes beyond their utility.
(If you notice people eating food off nude models. The experience e of food further augmented by sexual presentation)
My daughter and I argue over her covering up and she said no. Absolutely equivocably no, she would not cover up. She felt by covering up, she was buying into the sexualization of feeding her child. Now I see her covering in public and not in the family home and I look around to figure out whichoneofthese perverts is making her uncomfortable so i can punch lights'
Formule has only been in constant use about50 years. My grandchild. She has bettrr form, growth spurts than those my daughter babysits. I know the value of breastfeedjin. However there are creeps out there that can go from uncomfortable to dangerous wthout the woman doing anything more than feeding her child. We have oversexuaized a human feeding source by fashion and augmenting breast sizes beyond their utility.
(If you notice people eating food off nude models. The experience e of food further augmented by sexual presentation)
My daughter and I argue over her covering up and she said no. Absolutely equivocably no, she would not cover up. She felt by covering up, she was buying into the sexualization of feeding her child. Now I see her covering in public and not in the family home and I look around to figure out whichoneofthese perverts is making her uncomfortable so i can punch lights'
Breastfeeding is natural, but nudity isn't! Too bad ghawd didn't design women with fur on their bosoms. What was ghawd thinking!?!
Argument: Breastfeeding is natural, therefore women should be allowed to breastfeed their children in public without covering up.
Rebuttal: There are a lot of things that are natural that we keep private. I don't have to list them. Being natural is not a good enough reason.
I don't know what the right answer is, but I would like to read an argument that doesn't play the "natural" card.
Rebuttal: There are a lot of things that are natural that we keep private. I don't have to list them. Being natural is not a good enough reason.
I don't know what the right answer is, but I would like to read an argument that doesn't play the "natural" card.
How often do you like to eat your meals with a blanket over your head?
When people say that breast feeding women should just go to the bathroom, one can say that the person should "go eat in the bathroom then."
We are taught to hide what is natural. If you're two years old or younger, you will absolutely do everything where everyone can see it.
You can say that it's 'natural' to lock yourself in a bathroom to pee and poop, but that is absolutely a learned behavior, not a natural behavior. Oh, you can say that it's natural to conform to expectations, but you'd be playing with words.
And according to news out of San Francisco, the learned behavior is being abandoned for what is natural within a certain segment of the adult population.
You can say that it's 'natural' to lock yourself in a bathroom to pee and poop, but that is absolutely a learned behavior, not a natural behavior. Oh, you can say that it's natural to conform to expectations, but you'd be playing with words.
And according to news out of San Francisco, the learned behavior is being abandoned for what is natural within a certain segment of the adult population.
If babies need to nurse every 2-3 hours, the alternative to "natural" feeding is effectively locking a mother up for two or more years per child.
"Natural" is a perfectly good reason not to do that.
And why is it permissible for men to walk around bare-chested but not women? Stupid, arbitrary custom in only some cultures. There is nothing universal about restricting breastfeeding, so there is no reason to overrule that which is "natural."
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2018 09:34PM by Lot's Wife.
"Natural" is a perfectly good reason not to do that.
And why is it permissible for men to walk around bare-chested but not women? Stupid, arbitrary custom in only some cultures. There is nothing universal about restricting breastfeeding, so there is no reason to overrule that which is "natural."
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/28/2018 09:34PM by Lot's Wife.
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> Rebuttal: There are a lot of things that are
> natural that we keep private. I don't have to list
> them. Being natural is not a good enough reason.
Being healthier is a good enough reason for me.
Breastfeeding makes for healthier babies than formula, and gives them a headstart that usually endures throughout their lives.
Healthier children, healthier teenagers, healthier adults and healthier seniors. Pervy puritanicals be damned.
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> Rebuttal: There are a lot of things that are
> natural that we keep private. I don't have to list
> them. Being natural is not a good enough reason.
Being healthier is a good enough reason for me.
Breastfeeding makes for healthier babies than formula, and gives them a headstart that usually endures throughout their lives.
Healthier children, healthier teenagers, healthier adults and healthier seniors. Pervy puritanicals be damned.
An eighteen-month-old child? (This is not a starving hungry infant, here.)
My grandchildren were walking at 10 months. Isn't that considered a "toddler", and not a baby? This is almost a two-year-old, and can undo mommy's blouse and bra all by himself, and nurse standing up. Creepy and bizarre. He can wait a few minutes, can't he? Can't the mother wait?
You have heard about "exhibitionism." Most exhibitionists are men. Exhibitionist women have other outlets, because they are allowed to display themselves more than men, with fashions, swimwear, skimpy clothes, etc., and they get angry when someone comments negatively. Give me a break. This woman wants to show herself off in public!
At best, these women are being rude and inconsiderate. I think men going shirtless indoors is rude, too. I don't like to see ugly dirty bare feet in public, either. There's nothing sexual about hairy toes or nipples, imo. There's nothing sexual about picking your nose, which is also "perfectly natural." It's crude and rude.
My grandchildren were walking at 10 months. Isn't that considered a "toddler", and not a baby? This is almost a two-year-old, and can undo mommy's blouse and bra all by himself, and nurse standing up. Creepy and bizarre. He can wait a few minutes, can't he? Can't the mother wait?
You have heard about "exhibitionism." Most exhibitionists are men. Exhibitionist women have other outlets, because they are allowed to display themselves more than men, with fashions, swimwear, skimpy clothes, etc., and they get angry when someone comments negatively. Give me a break. This woman wants to show herself off in public!
At best, these women are being rude and inconsiderate. I think men going shirtless indoors is rude, too. I don't like to see ugly dirty bare feet in public, either. There's nothing sexual about hairy toes or nipples, imo. There's nothing sexual about picking your nose, which is also "perfectly natural." It's crude and rude.
Creepy and bazaar is only in your head.
There is nothing wrong with feeding an 18 month old in a timely and comfortable manor.
In many parts of the world, breastfeeding a baby for two years is the norm.
This woman wants to feed her child, not show off her boob. Trust me.
There is nothing wrong with feeding an 18 month old in a timely and comfortable manor.
In many parts of the world, breastfeeding a baby for two years is the norm.
This woman wants to feed her child, not show off her boob. Trust me.
I had a VT who breast fed her kids until at least 18 months. I was inactive and I had never met her and she and I became best friends and still are.
If she is comfortable with it, then I say she has the right to do it in this situation. I also think that we have sexualized breast feeding. If the men have a problem, it is on them, not the woman. They want all the women barefoot and pregnant. It really wasn't that long ago that they didn't talk about even being pregnant. I wonder how they got that way. Oh, and I love watching old shows like "I Love Lucy" and they slept in twin beds.
I'm a prude if I've ever met one. I've had to change a lot of my ideas (like that marijuana thread). I've come a long, long ways. Actually, when my mother had children, MOST women fed their kids with formula. I wanted to breast feed and the doctor finally talked me into not because I had twins, I had toxemia/preeclampsia, and my milk wasn't coming in. I cried and I thought my children were going to die because I was in such postpartum depression at the time.
I say let the woman be. If the other people are uncomfortable, they can turn their head. And the bit about having them go breast feed in the bathrooms. Ridiculous. If they don't like it, then the church should build rooms for the women to breast feed in that have a TV and snacks, etc., so they can watch TV rather than listen to church!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2018 11:17AM by cl2.
If she is comfortable with it, then I say she has the right to do it in this situation. I also think that we have sexualized breast feeding. If the men have a problem, it is on them, not the woman. They want all the women barefoot and pregnant. It really wasn't that long ago that they didn't talk about even being pregnant. I wonder how they got that way. Oh, and I love watching old shows like "I Love Lucy" and they slept in twin beds.
I'm a prude if I've ever met one. I've had to change a lot of my ideas (like that marijuana thread). I've come a long, long ways. Actually, when my mother had children, MOST women fed their kids with formula. I wanted to breast feed and the doctor finally talked me into not because I had twins, I had toxemia/preeclampsia, and my milk wasn't coming in. I cried and I thought my children were going to die because I was in such postpartum depression at the time.
I say let the woman be. If the other people are uncomfortable, they can turn their head. And the bit about having them go breast feed in the bathrooms. Ridiculous. If they don't like it, then the church should build rooms for the women to breast feed in that have a TV and snacks, etc., so they can watch TV rather than listen to church!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2018 11:17AM by cl2.
Ah yes, those mammaries shall never die.
Which leads me to wonder when Ben and Jerry will bring back their breast milk ice cream.
Which leads me to wonder when Ben and Jerry will bring back their breast milk ice cream.
The list of diversions - distractions Away from Honesty, Kindness, etc. is always full but nevertheless always making room for more in Morland!
Okay, the mere words "mormon feminists" make me roll my eyes, but...
Breastfeeding is indeed not a sexual act and should be encouraged because it makes for much healthier babies than formula. As a Belgian by birth I am proud to say that the Flemish government (which represents 60% of Belgium's citizens) is so fervent in its support of breastfeeding that not only is it legal to do so in public including in shops and restaurants, on trains, at airports, in the street or basically anything that's not a church or mosque, but they have also started to encourage the use of breastfeeding extras in soaps and sitcoms: actual mothers feeding their child in the background, with no-one bothering them. Eat and let eat! Way to go.
Breastfeeding is indeed not a sexual act and should be encouraged because it makes for much healthier babies than formula. As a Belgian by birth I am proud to say that the Flemish government (which represents 60% of Belgium's citizens) is so fervent in its support of breastfeeding that not only is it legal to do so in public including in shops and restaurants, on trains, at airports, in the street or basically anything that's not a church or mosque, but they have also started to encourage the use of breastfeeding extras in soaps and sitcoms: actual mothers feeding their child in the background, with no-one bothering them. Eat and let eat! Way to go.
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> ...they have also started to encourage the use of
> breastfeeding extras in soaps and sitcoms: actual
> mothers feeding their child in the background,
> with no-one bothering them.
This is a great idea!! (Which, probably because I am an American and a product of American culture, I never thought of before.)
Despite the taboos of American culture, this kind of broad-based cultural change is actually a feasible goal. If people began writing (via US mail, email, or Tweets) to the Writers Guild of America (particularly the Los Angeles-based West sector), to producers (via the Producers Guild of America, headquartered in Los Angeles), and to the advertisers who sponsor appropriate TV shows, a goal like this could probably be accomplished within a few years.
This has been done "before"--specifically regarding racial, gender, and sexual orientation issues, so the arc of this kind of forward progress has already been established.
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> ...they have also started to encourage the use of
> breastfeeding extras in soaps and sitcoms: actual
> mothers feeding their child in the background,
> with no-one bothering them.
This is a great idea!! (Which, probably because I am an American and a product of American culture, I never thought of before.)
Despite the taboos of American culture, this kind of broad-based cultural change is actually a feasible goal. If people began writing (via US mail, email, or Tweets) to the Writers Guild of America (particularly the Los Angeles-based West sector), to producers (via the Producers Guild of America, headquartered in Los Angeles), and to the advertisers who sponsor appropriate TV shows, a goal like this could probably be accomplished within a few years.
This has been done "before"--specifically regarding racial, gender, and sexual orientation issues, so the arc of this kind of forward progress has already been established.
Honest, I haven't talked or swapped e-mails with my old friend for months. And I gotta say, he pushes the envelope with this one...
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/kirby/2018/07/29/kirby-breastfeeding/
>>Well into my seventh decade of church, I’ve seen a lot of natural biological functions happen there. I remember when I was a kid and Sister Clammage, who was sitting behind us in sacrament meeting, hauled out a boob the size of small pig and stuck her kid onto it.
>>It was fascinating — certainly a hell of a lot more interesting than the droning from the pulpit. I stared until the Old Man noticed and cranked my head back around with a handful of hair.
>>If there is a point to this column — and I wouldn’t blame you if you can’t find one — perhaps it’s that we should all be aware of the less-than-pleasant needs our bodies have and try not to make such a big deal out of nursing babies, which is actually a beautiful one.
https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/kirby/2018/07/29/kirby-breastfeeding/
>>Well into my seventh decade of church, I’ve seen a lot of natural biological functions happen there. I remember when I was a kid and Sister Clammage, who was sitting behind us in sacrament meeting, hauled out a boob the size of small pig and stuck her kid onto it.
>>It was fascinating — certainly a hell of a lot more interesting than the droning from the pulpit. I stared until the Old Man noticed and cranked my head back around with a handful of hair.
>>If there is a point to this column — and I wouldn’t blame you if you can’t find one — perhaps it’s that we should all be aware of the less-than-pleasant needs our bodies have and try not to make such a big deal out of nursing babies, which is actually a beautiful one.
FREE THE NIPPLES!
I breastfed my babies in public over 40 years ago.Nobody said anything, maybe they were too freaked out as breastfeeding was not as common then, but I didn't care. I do not see why it should bother anyone as it was the only way babies could be fed for millions of years.