At general conference members will be asked to sustain Monson as President of the Church with 2 counselors. Then they will be aksed to sustain them as Prophets, Seers and Revelators.

Here is the problem as I see it. Members are sustaining Monson as the CEO of the Coropration of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints on the first go.. As shareholders they are basically saying we are okay with this guy as the Chairman.

My question is this. How many people really know what they are doing when they raise their hands? They are saying they are okay with how the corporation is being run. But they really do not have a spreadsheet of what has transpired over the past year. They really have no idea of the corporate goals for the coming year. Or how the shareholders money is going to be spent.

So the Church is very crafty. Sustain the guy as Profit, Seer and Revelator and hide the corporate side under the disguise of religion.

Legally once they sustain this guy, they are giving him permission and the corporation to do what ever they want to do for the next year. How many members really realize that they have a lot of power by not sustaining Monson as President?

Just some stupid thoughts I had today as my wife pays her tithing.

I've always looked at it this way too. I see the profit more as a CEO because they're piss poor theologians. I think would you come to this guy wanting spiritual advice or business advice? Also their talks are skin deep when it comes to theological issues. They cite the same old tired verses and stories as a lay person. You think someone with a direct line to God would have some more insight than having to rely on the same scriptures that an ordinary member has access to.

SEcular Priest Wrote:
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> As shareholders they are basically
> saying we are okay with this guy as the Chairman.

Except they aren't.

Doesn't matter what they "vote." They are donating to a "charitable" corporation which they also "volunteer" at and follow all the bylaws, policies, rules, and regulations for being able to volunteer and get the benefits of volunteering like being able to enter expensive gathering places to volunteer at...

I agree with elderberry, They don't need members sustaining vote. Monson is already the Presiding officer of the corp and legally as I understand as being the president of "the corporation of the president" (which is actually the legal name of cojcolds). He and he alone owns all the property $50,000,000,000 and can do anything he damn well pleases until he dies then title is transferred to the next senior apostle.

Did I leave anything out?

It's like voting in a dictatorship. It may make the plebs feeling like they have a say, but the outcome is always the same.

The "real" vote members have is with their feet and their money.

Yeah, and we know what happens when someone votes no on the sustaining ballot. The Boner.

Yep...ask that one guy who did not sustain Saddam Hussein when he first came to power....oh wait, you can't ask that guy. He was killed in a brutal fashion

poopstone Wrote:
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> Did I leave anything out?

Yah, the dumb ass MORmON Prophet leaders have never had a real revelation YET.

SEcular Priest Wrote:
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> As shareholders they are basically
> saying we are okay with this guy as the Chairman.

Perhaps semantics, but I think this is actually an important point: members *aren't* shareholders in the corporation.

The church *is* a corporation. Run by and vested in a sole individual (the current profit). But it has no shareholders. A number of the church's subsidiaries *are* corporations with shareholders, but few if any of them are public corporations, they're private ones with hidden shareholders (but which have on several occasions been shown to be general authorities benefiting financially from their church position).

But members aren't shareholders in any of it. They get no dividends, no profit-sharing; their "investments" of tithes and offerings get spirited away and hidden, and they get no return on them. They don't get financial disclosure or an accounting (as required in the church's own canonized scriptures) of how the money is being spent, and what's being earned.

Yes, they should not vote to sustain the "corporation sole" in the person of Thomas Monson. They will almost certainly do it anyway, though. But don't call them shareholders...:)

I certainly agree with you. He is not fit to be CEO of a toilet.

BUT, how many CULT members have the courage to not sustain him in front of everyone? Not raise one's hand to the square? Everyone would stare at the one not sustaining and then shunning begins. Stupid CULT.

They should have the sustaining votes be private by ballot. But I would never trust anyone in the CULT to actually be honest in counting the votes. That is trouble with a totalitarian system.

He is not a prophet.
He is not a seer.
He is not a revelator.

So why sustain him as such?

It's like one of those dictatorship elections that get laughed at. Look our leader was elected with 99.99% of the vote...Isn't it wonderful isn't it marvelous.

Was there another candidate? Um...no

Did anyone speak in opposition to him? Ugh...no

What's the alternative to "manifesting in favor"? Uh...um....going into the Stake President's office for a PPI.

The voting has been done in Mormonism, they just like to go through motions for both their living and the dead.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> The voting has been done in Mormonism, they just
> like to go through motions for both their living
> and the dead.
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Kind of like "the thinking has been done", huh?

Exactly. Joe pretty much tied up the continuing revelations. So now it is just follow the leaders like the illiterates of the Dark Ages did their priests.

He talks with GOD.

You're not going to vote against a guy who talks with GOD!?

You don't want to sent to the corn field do ya? You're a bad man, a VERY bad man.....

Chicken N. Backpacks Wrote:
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> He talks with GOD.

God talks to him. There is a difference and God has held his tongue for decades.

There are some members who agree. They're NOMs who are planning non-sustaining of the leaders. anyopposed.org has set up an "about" page for their plan to vote no in sustaining.
http://anyopposed.org/about/

I'm no longer a member and I'm afraid it will be like yelling at the ocean; but at least they see the hypocrisy of sustaining of leaders that they feel are in error.

What in Mormonism ISN'T a sham?

Tommy is just taking care of business ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2uWvWcPqcg

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