Let me start by saying that I despise tattle tales, and that is why I did not just blabber out all of the pertinent details of this observation right now. The thing that makes it a real issue
for me is that one of the very few things that I dislike more than tattle tales is (sickening) MORmON apologists, especially PHONY MORmON apologists, as opposed to sincere (but still intolerable) MORmON apologists. That is the only reason that I am considering outing this person.

I just went to the liquor store. This is the first time that I have ever actually made a purchase at a liquor store. I went to buy some alcohol for a herbal extract / tincture that I am going to experiment on. JFYI, IF I wanted to drink, and I already have, then I would, but I don't, so this detail is not about making excuses on my part. Besides, MORmON standards do not matter to me anymore, except for when MORmONS irritate me because they insist on advocating MORmON standards, standards that they only selectively abide by for show apparently. The real point to this is that because I do not drink for whatever reason, I do not go to the liquor very much, and the FIRST TIME time that I do go there, I spot a very notable relatively high profile MORmON figure in the store who is buying a bottle of wine. (THE CRAP THAT HAPPENS WHEN A PERSON DOES NOT HAVE THEIR CAMCORDER HANDY !!!!) The other point to all of this is that when I was an active believing MORmON, I strictly adhered to MORmON standards, including NOT going to the liquor to buy wine. So, I am still kind of shocked at the utter phoniness of opportunistic poser MORmONS. (I know, I should know better by now).

I would not say a thing about this development EXCEPT that this same particular person was also a central figure in one of the most smarmy ass cry baby whiny MORmON apologist video efforts ever concocted, one that really irritated me. However, I am trying to exercise some discretion, so I am still contemplating /investigating what to do instead of just hastily divulging all of the details.

Buying wine is not drinking wine. If you didn't see this person drinking, ya got no story, only gossip.

"Buying wine is not drinking wine. If you didn't see this person drinking, ya got no story, only gossip."

True, but Mormons are supposed to "avoid the very appearance of evil." I wouldn't tattle either, but I'd give him a little nod of the head that says "I see ya."

This reminds me of when my wife went to a fabric/notions store for something on a Sunday when we were active Mormons. The most insufferably self-righteous "sister" in the ward was in there too. Sister self-righteous tried her best to prevent my wife from seeing her before she darted out the door. Like my wife gave a damn.

And then there was the time when I was working in a downtown building. Across the street was "the"---back when there was only "the"---adult bookstore in town. I glanced out the window and lo and behold, the ward choir director was walking in the porn shop. I never said a word.

Agreed. They could be buying wine as a gift for a non-member whose house they are going to dinner for.

It could have been champagne. Are you in a port town?

I agree that buying wine and drinking wine are two different things. But beyond that, I think that Mormons should be encouraged to live normally whenever possible. So I think it would be best to treat this as an unremarkable thing.

Send him, anonymously, a bottle of wine, with a note: "I saw you!! Good for you, you wonderful apostate!!"

Even if you saw him drinking it while smoking a cigarrette and screwing a cat, it's not cool to tattle.

Well... animal abuse is something worthy of tattling on.

freedomatlast Wrote:
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> Even if you saw him drinking it while smoking a
> cigarrette and screwing a cat, it's not cool to
> tattle.


Literally screwing the cat? Metaphorically screwing the cat? Does a metaphor go full circle if it's used metaphorically?

Either way, I'm telling.

Summer used the perfect words..."an unremarkable thing" In

my efforts to leave the church, I did a lot of things before

my actual letter, and one of them was drinking coffee. Someone

saw me and their "silent" response was anything but

unremarkable. They had no Idea where I was in regards to leaving

and I'm sure rushed home as fast as they could to call everyone

on their gossip list. That was when I realized the true

value of a couple of friends who knew I drank coffee and

loved me anyway and the kindest act of charity came from them

saying nothing. My advice is, charity is hard to come by these

days.

I always cooked with wine as a TBM.

Why does it matter? And who would you tell?

If mormon standards dont matter to you anymore it wouldnt make any sense at all for you to make a big deal out of it.

You saw someone buying wine, hardly sensational.

smirkorama Wrote:
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> I just went to the liquor store. This is the first
> time that I have ever actually made a purchase at
> a liquor store. I went to buy some alcohol for a
> herbal extract / tincture that I am going to
> experiment on.


If it's just a tincture, you'll have quite a bit of extra vodka, right? (I'm guessing vodka, unless you found PGA)

So... any plans for the leftovers?

First, you don't even know if this person is going to drink the wine. Second, I feel like I would only "tattle" if this person was actually a hypocrite. Like they had judged you for going to the liquor store while they are doing the same. Just being a whiny apologist doesnt seem like justification enough. People have a right to believe in silly stuff if they want.

One of the many exasperating traits I learned about mormons is that they love to tattle on each other. Middle aged adults! Telling their elderly parents! This one did this and that one did that. Could not believe it!

I totally understand the frustration at the hypocrisy (another common trait in religious "leaders") but take the high road. If ever the glorious opportunity presents itself to confront them in person, maybe comment on how you saw them at the liquor store and noticed what great taste in wine they have.

grin~

Camcorder handy???

Everyone has camcorder on them these days. It's called an iPhone!

After all is said and done, it wouldn't give you any satisfaction in displaying the same type of behavior which you detest in others. Perhaps use it as a reminder as to why you chose a different path, not wanting to live like that anymore.

girlawakened Wrote:
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> After all is said and done, it wouldn't give you
> any satisfaction in displaying the same type of
> behavior which you detest in others. Perhaps use
> it as a reminder as to why you chose a different
> path, not wanting to live like that anymore.

Bingo.
Don't stoop to their level.

If you want them to stay Mormon, tattle on them. If you want them to find the truth, stay out of their business. Most likely they are using it to cook with, and it's pretty common. If you rat them out, they will stop doing this behavior to fall in line and repent. You are only helping them stay by being a rat.

If you detest the person/think they're a phony... You could send a bottle to his work with a note:

I noticed you liked this vintage at the liquor store. You may want to try the following wine/food pairings (unless you are reenacting the sacrament with authentic wine).

You do not need to justify your presence in a liquor store.

What purpose would that serve? Find something positive to do with your freedom.

No need to explain/defend why you are in a liquor store.
RMM

Send him a block of cheese.

Keep it to yourself. As others have said you got nothing other than the "appearance of evil" thing.

It is customary when invited somewhere to dinner or some other get together to bring a gift and usually that is in the form a good bottle of wine to show your appreciation for being invited.

This man may run in non-Mormon circles in business or otherwise. If so good for him for getting beyond the appearance of evil nonsense.

Or he could be taking it to make a faith promoting lesson in a church related event on the evils but beautiful and enticing packaging of the Devils brew.

You don't know. Live and let live.



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years ago. I did something stupid driving and scared the hell out of the 3 guys I rode with. On the way home from work, I stopped and bought them a 6 pack to drink (and, yes, had open containers in my vehicle). I was about as TBM as they come.

You never know why someone is buying alcohol.

The doctor "prescribed" alcohol for my brother who had an allergic reaction to penicillin when he was about 10 years old (early 1960s). I remember seeing that bottle in the refrigerator and wondering what the hell.

I drink very seldom and I go in the liquor store quite often to purchase for others.



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No, you shouldn't tattle. In my wife's classroom (she is an elementary school teacher) they have the class rules on a poster. Rule #7 is MYOB. When the kids start to tattle on each other, she simply says "What is rule #7?"

So I ask you - What is rule #7?

because I'd read in a home fix-it book that it was a good way to remove ink stains from clothing. I was never Mormon, so no rules there, but I never intended to drink any. I don't like the taste of alcohol. The half-empty bottle is still on my shelf, waiting for another leaky pen.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

I cook with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.







Old jokes never die.....

Name the person. The allegation only extends to being in the store. What they choose to say in defence is up to them.

This is an information war and apologists often use very underhand techniques to misrepresent the data whether consciously or unconsciously.

We owe them no quarter. Put the conversation in day light and let the person respond accordingly.

It isn't tattling when it's juicy gossip.

Go for it, if you enjoy shaming this person publicly.

I doubt it will do much to tarnish someone's reputation. A bottle of wine, is not hard liquor.

It may only be something he plans to use for cooking, or entertaining non-LDS guests.

On other hand, my paternal grandmother, a TBM and missionary wife to her missionary (stake missionaries) husband, drank two cups of wine a day, under a doctor's order, for heart medicine.

Did she have a drinking problem? Not back in those days. It didn't become too much of a mandate until the 1940's, as far as taboo on drinking goes. My third generation grandmother whose husband was a bodyguard to Joe Smith, was a pipe smoker (with twelve children, I wonder what else she may have been smoking?)

I say toast to your church mate coming out of the closet long enough to buy a bottle of wine, and go back into hiding again.

He also may have intended to give it as a gift to someone else, just a thought.

Mind your own business.

This approach usually works every time. :)