http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/art/cook_jagger.htm

For those who don't to read it, the gist of the story is that in 1988, Cook sits next to Mick Jagger for 2 and half hours, attempts to proselytize him, Jagger gets drunk, tells him 'Rock and Roll music is calculated directly to make children have sex', announced loudly to the plane that the Book of Mormon is a lie, etc. etc.

Cook then stuns him into silence as he declaims the truth of the Book of Mormon, challenges Jagger to find one falsehood in the book, tells him he's of the devil and going straight to hell unless he changes his life. Jagger is so stunned he doesn't speak for the rest of the flight, and Cook's testimony of the evil of rock 'n roll is confirmed.

I first heard this when I was a junior in seminary class, from a man I had, up to that point, respected and considered an intelligent man. He told this story as though he really believed it happened, which lowered my opinion of him considerably.

I have no doubt in my mind this never happened, it's full of the kind of pomp, lack of detail, and dubious characterizing that is the earmark of many mormon stories. It is a total jab at Jagger's character, since he is portrayed as a bufoonish, Godless Drunk. For all I know he is, but for anyone to act this belligerent and play into the canned role of a drunk, arrogant famous person, seems really made up, especially given the proclivity for GA's to make up stories. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_H._Dunn)

I have repeated the story to other people, including my TBM mom, who had heard it before and claimed it was so stupid it was one of those Mormon urban legends. I looked it up today and apparently it was given by an actual Seventy at BYU Idaho.

What do you guys think? I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with it. Does anyone have any more information about it? a repudiation of it? I find it hard to believe it really happened.



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The Mormon Monsters site did not debunk the meeting. It has it as "True." They DO say that the story has been "enhanced" a bit via the grapevine, but that there is no evidence against it.

They use the actual talk given by Gene Cook, as well as the written version.

But it isn't "debunked" at all! Again, they have this "Urban Legend" noted as "True."

I heard Cook personally relate the story at my stake conference when I was a teenager. Because of that tale, I was forbidden to listen to the Rolling Stones, and I never discovered the Stones until much later in life. When I finally did...whoa boy! A whole new world of awesomeness opened up to me!

I can see Mick saying that the Stones' music is designed to drive kids to have sex, especially to a self-righteous religious type. It's all tongue in cheek, as it were, akin to the lyrics of "Faraway Eyes."

That's my thought as well. If there's any truth to the tale, it's just as likely that Mick was being cheeky, and that uptight Cook missed the joke. It reminds me of Ted Bundy telling the religious crowd that it was porn that drove him to it. In both cases, the joke's on the credulous.

The idea that some random chucklehead sat next to Mick Jagger in an airplane is too funny to me. You know how many people would die to travel with Mick Jagger in his chartered jet?

Exactly.... like Mick Jagger and the rest of the stones fly

commercial airlines. That is so inaccurate.

I live for the day when some traveling GA sits next to me on a
plane and tries to start one of these conversations.

I don't drink hard liquor, or even beer, but if some stuffed-shirt sat next to me on 2 hour+ flight and started right in with "I'm so-and-so, and I'm a member of the LDS church", I'd order a stiff one right there and then....

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game



If it did happen, he wouldn't have stunned Jager into silence.
Jagger would have been all over him like a dirty shirt for the rest of the flight.

And like don said. When does Jagger fly with the public?

Sounds like Mormon urban legend to me. But I guess you never know if some version of it happened. But probably not that version. I don't think Jagger takes shit from too many people.

I still doubt it ever happened, but if it did, I doubt it happened at all like Cook purports. It seems so like a GA to make a meeting with a famous celebrity and trump it up into some testimony bearing experience where the person is cowed, Cook is seen as some Godly, smiting-a-sinner type figure, and everyone walks away a little wiser about listening to the 'devils music.'

It also occurred to me, like the snopes person, about a GA sitting in first class or Jagger sitting in coach- both seem unlikely. In fact, Jagger seems just wealthy enough and famous enough that he would charter private jets, or that perhaps the rolling stones would own their own private jet. Even in the 80's, Jagger had to be worth close to a hundred mil.



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GAs not flying coach? That's normal. That part of it is believable. It's the Jagger flying commercial when he was a already multi-millionaire that strains credibility.

What is more likely

(A) Gene Cook sits down next to Mick Jagger (right, an empty seat
on an airplane next to Mick Jagger) and Mick Jagger points out
"Look I'm in a magazine," then says all the stuff that GC claims

or

(B) Gene Cook sits down next to some guy, and Cook turns to him
with his big, goofy, toothy grin and says, "I'm Gene Cook and
I'm a member of COJCOLDS" and this guy says to himself, "geesh,"
and then points to a pic of Mick Jagger in the magazine he's
reading and says, "I'm Mick Jagger." Cook, clueless, believes
him, to the guy's astonishment, and the conversation ensues with
the guy spoofing the hell out of Cook.



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He claimed he put a book of Mormon on Mick Jagger's lap. Right, and then Cook challenged him to a Dance-off in the aisle of the plane, and Cook won... and Uchdorf was flying the plane...

Who was drinking?

Like Mick Jagger flew public, without security to fend off religious zealots.

That would be like Dunn claiming he was a mighty war hero... wait. Or, Joseph Smith claiming... anything whatsoever...

Joseph could have sung some of Mick' s songs: I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her, but she's so cold!

"(B) Gene Cook sits down next to some guy, and Cook turns to him
with his big, goofy, toothy grin and says, "I'm Gene Cook and
I'm a member of COJCOLDS" and this guy says to himself, "geesh,"
and then points to a pic of Mick Jagger in the magazine he's
reading and says, "I'm Mick Jagger." Cook, clueless, believes
him, to the guy's astonishment, and the conversation ensues with
the guy spoofing the hell out of Cook."

This actually sounds like it could be plausible. A look a like making a habit of claiming to be a rockstar and acting like an ass.


It sounds more plausible than anything written in Cook's talk, anyway, with the actuall Mick Jagger, cause I doubt the actual Mick Jagger is a meek, simpering, wuss.



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midwestanon Wrote:
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> This actually sounds like it could be plausible. A
> look a like making a habit of claiming to be a
> rockstar and acting like an ass.

Wouldn't have to be a "look-a-like." Could be someone who
looked NOTHING like Jagger. I'm sure Cook, who thinks rock
music is "of the Devil," isn't that up to date on what rock
stars look like up close.

At this time Jagger had been an international superstar for
years. The last thing he'd want to do is brag to some stranger
on a plane that he's famous.

Mormons have the worst Bullsh!t Meters on the face of the earth.

There is no lie too outrageous that they won't get "warm titties" over it.

Gene cook sits down next to Christopher hitchens...

I would have loved to eavesdrop on that conversation had it ever happened.

If it happened it at all it was when Gene Cook was using his spiritual eyes.

I've now read a couple of versions of this story (i.e., Gene R. Cook's versions), and I find his whole story ridiculous, laughable, and totally unbelievable.

Gene Cook is a liar.

But what else can you expect from these people? They lie for a living...

Not only that, but Gene Cook was a life insurance salesman in a previous life. One of his book jackets boasted that he was a member of the "Million Dollar Round Table," some sort of status and reward system for life insurance salesmen.

Seriously, he thought that added credibility to his calling as a witness for Jesus Christ.

My brother (also ex-mo) traveled with Mick for many years and still is in contact.

This is confirmed bullsh**

You use the word confirmed.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

An anonymous claim on the internet is not confirmation.

Nothing is "Confirmed" until 7 pretentious straight white guys in dingy white shirts and cheap suits stand around you with their hands on your head talking to their imaginary friend.

;)

Maybe we can let Jagger know and he can sue the church for defamation.

Let's face some facts. The Rolling Stones can pack more people into weekly stadiums than the TSCC can into the conference centre.

Further, the Rolling Stones can get press coverage in an instant, yet the Church only get's international coverage when it once again does something totally dumb.

How many records has Monson sold?

The only thing that the Rolling Stones have in common with Mormon leaders is that a member of the Rolling Stones once bedded a 14 year old.

this whole this is just a mormon urban legend which pops up

every now and then. I't bogus.

The general public is not going to care one bit about the Morg.

The gay issue is not going away, as teens, members in their prime reproducing years 20's & 30's are leaving in ever increasing numbers.

The top 15 know LDS Titanic is dead in the water.

Remember the line from BoM musical:
Jesus says FUCK FUCK MORMONS.

The tall tale is doubtful, but Mormons think "stunned into silence" means "I won the argument." Actually it usually means the other person thinks you are so batshit crazy and unreasonable that the conversation is now over.