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Posted by: auntsukey ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 11:48AM

Excellent podcast. Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, John Dehlin.

Scientology - Mean.
Mormonism - Insidiously nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk_ZmX6tGkI

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Posted by: Nuggett ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 11:53AM

I think Mormons are probably better armed...

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Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 01:26PM


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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 12:24PM

They'll harass, even kidnap, their apostates. Throw nuisance lawsuits at them. Brainwashing is incredible. It's believed--not proven--that the personal secrets gleaned from their "auditing" (counseling) procedures are used to manipulate, intimidate, even blackmail people into staying with the cult.

All this is what I've read from several years ago. They haven't been in the news lately, so I don't know if those things are current. But what they do (or did) far exceeds a 40-question TR interview, HV/VT/"ministry" visits and leaving cupcakes on the doorstep.

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Posted by: Ex-CultMember ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 12:37PM

Definitely Scientology is worse. I thin they are both cults but Mormononism is on the light side. Scientology is hard core cult.

I've never REALLY feared the LDS Church. It was more the social aspect and being afraid of what members thought of me. More of a insecurity issue.

I actually fear Scientology. Their cross lines LDS Inc will not. Even the IRS is scared to take on Scientology.

While there is definitely shunning, harassment and social repercussions to leaving LDS Inc., its way worse in Scientology.

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Posted by: Hedning ( )
Date: April 23, 2021 02:09AM

You obviously have never been a missionary who gets seriously ill on a mission. I was told it was better to come home in a box than to come home early. I got locked up in the mission home and not allowed to see a doctor. The mission president didn't want his record of no early returns ruined because it made him visible for future promotions to GA

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 12:39PM

Stupid ass would be a better choice of a word.

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Posted by: Anonymous Muser ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 01:24PM

Scientology is far more coercive, but also far smaller, and its reputation much worse. Mormonism can therefore be said to be a more successful cult.

Mormonism has appx 4.5 million actives, while Scientology is down to as low as a reported 20,000 active.

Although Scientology has managed to intimidate the IRS (no mean feat), it doesn't puppeteer any U.S. states, and has no U.S. senators or congressional reps to do its bidding.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 01:32PM

Back in the first years of the internet, I would get inquiries from 'agents' of scientamaleogy asking if I were available to handle inquiries for them.

I also had some contact with anti-scientamaleogists, asking me whose side I was on. I was told stories about the reckless and feckless activity of those who supported scientamaleogy.

I suppose that as time, and the internet, went on, both sides became ever so much more sophisticated.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 03:49PM

Neither. Both lame ass excuses.

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Posted by: 12345 ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 04:34PM

“Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology” by Leah Remini is a great resource for learning the truth about scientology.

As has happened with many of us exmos, Leah was a sincere believer going along with things that to an outsider clearly appear wrong… until she stumbled across some awful truths about scientology that shocked her and angered her. She felt overwhelmingly betrayed after years of loyalty to an organization that she now realized never had merited her trust.

–Sound familiar?

Read her book if you want to know more!

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Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 04:51PM

The "Aftermath" and "Fair Game".

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Posted by: ookami ( )
Date: April 20, 2021 05:07PM

Neither. Where I'm from, badass is a compliment.

I think since Mormonism came first, they're better at hiding the cultishness than Scientology.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: April 21, 2021 01:53AM

When I saw Going Clear and Leah Remini's scientology tv series, I mistakenly believed that ex-Scientologists had far more resource to combat the damage done by their religion than ex-Mormons have to combat the damages caused by Mormonism. I really emphasized with Leah and her colleague in this podcast who appear to be the only resource that scientologists have to disconnect from and heal from their cult. At least the ex-mormons know how to organize and concentrate their larger resource pool to bring about change, even if the church leaders in Salt Lake need to go screaming and kicking as their empire crumbles when they refuse to change.

The aggregate damage done by Mormonism is worse than the aggregate damage caused by Scientology. I hope that John Dehlin can work with Leah's people to come up with some resources that might be helpful to everyone who has been harmed by a cult. And it looks like the Jehovas Witnesses have less to work with than those leaving scientology do.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: April 21, 2021 10:18AM

Forget the chicken and the egg . . . which came first?

Religion or shunning?



But to answer the question, I think in a sofa jumping competition Tom Cruise would beat Prophet Nelson every time.

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Posted by: Perdition ( )
Date: April 21, 2021 01:56PM

L.Ron Hubbard's 'Dianetics' books are even more incomprehensible than Joseph's 'marvelous work and a wonder'In Hubbard's defense/favor, at least he didn't argue that the garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri.

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