This teen is not transgender and neither is Bruce jenner.

They are both transvestites (cross dressers). Neither has had surgery and both still have all their original male parts,

Jenner has even said that he doesn't want to give up sex with women.

That is wholly different from true transgender individuals.

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong....

You get the point.

Read the dictionary and then come back with a different argument.

Surgery isn't done until far, far down the road as I understand it--after psychological counseling and medications, etc. Some people never have surgery. Does that mean they are not transgender? Or transitioning?

Transitioning is not the same as being a transvestite I think all of us need to follow Iztzapopropl's (sp?) advice and get educated.

...ergo it be a BOY

Transgender is a term used to describe gender identity.

Cross-dressing is a term used to describe wearing your wive's sexy underwear when she is out with her friends.

Transvestite is a pejorative.

Thank you for sharing this about Jenner, I didn't know he was still attracted to women.

As gorgeous as he has become, he still wants to screw like a guy?

Holy sh*tababa!

So he can still make babies?

This also means he reserves the right to revert back to a guy once his reality series gets cancelled.

;)

why this issue has come to such a pass. Last period gym would solve the whole thing for everyone. Why not just make it a non issue? Teens already have such body issues. I wasn't the only one that took gym last for a lot of different reasons. One school was in a very.... conservative area and two were in liberal areas. It was just no big deal.

Transvestitism is a fetish, mostly found in straight, white men. They are cisgender and heterosexual.

Not all transgenders have bottom surgery for various reasons that are none of other people's business.

Not all transgender people identify as sexually attracted to the other sex, some are lesbian transgender and others are gay. There's a huge difference between sexual orientation than gender identification.

You're reducing people to nothing more than their genitals and people are much more complicated than that.



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Forgive my bad memory and horrible spelling of your name.

Only by those who choose to be assbadgers.

stay classy...

And don't forget to stop being a whiny assbadger!

Why are so many of you caught up on an individuals genitals?

And why do you same folks find using a persons prefered pronouns to be difficult or somehow a challenge to your own identity?

...what pronoun I choose to use for someone?

If a person's genitals don't matter, why limit bathroom sharing to trans people? Any boy should be able to use any girl's bathroom and vice-versa, trans or not.

It matters to me because it shows a lack of respect.

Plus, we ex-mormons are a group of people that turned away from a church that encouraged thinking in binary absolutes, a church created by bigots that enshrines bigotry within doctrine, and a church that rails against the very notion that humanity is so widely varied that no cookie cutter will ever fit all of us.

So when I see people who's thoughts I respect demonstrate how little they have gone after walking away from mormonism it saddens me. It also saddens me that these same people are unintentionally hurting other members of this board because they are so rigid in their worldview that they can't use a prefered gender pronoun.

Make no mistake; I don't give two shits about Kait Jenner, but I do care about the folks on this board and those in my life so I use her prefered pronoun.

As for the bathroom thing... in a perfect world I would say we should make all bathrooms unisex, but we don't live in a perfect world so I think that people should use the bathroom that they feel the safest using.

If you don't feel safe pooping in a stall next to a transgendered woman as she pees then we should talk about those specific safety concerns.

You wouldn't have a problem if a man wanted to use the "women's" restroom?

How DARE anyone do what you're doing.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

None.

But thanks for the slurs from the '50s.

as the mother of a transgender young man I'm not surprised by this thread but I WILL put up my dukes and say how wrong wrong wrong most of the assumptions are that are being posted here.

Can you enlighten us? I haven't commented because I just don't know enough about the topic.

when you look in the mirror in the morning and you see yourself, wouldn't it horrify you if what you saw didn't match what you felt or thought you were on the inside? It's literally a nightmare. How DARE anyone question it or judge. It pisses me off big time.

You must get exhausted trying to educate people constantly.

((Hugs))

They were just asked to do so.

I know; I didn't mean hikergrl, I meant people who refuse to understand/listen/comprehend the difference between gender identity and body parts.

Oh, I see. I read that as sarcasm. My apologies!

I always thought it was a mismatch between gender of the body and the brain, but I am sure there is much more than that going on in terms of societal pressures. That is the piece I haven't thought through at all. I am sure it is much more complex than most realize.

I've been in a thousand gay clubs all over the globe. Boys and girls share bathrooms all the time without any fuss.

andIplayedjoe

Thanks for pointing that out, Iplayedjoe. Wondered if someone would. Just said the same thing to my partner about gay clubs going back to the 70s -- you could have a drag queen, a woman, a man, a transgendered person, a gay person, a bisexual person or any other person standing in line next to you to pee and WHO CARES??

The bathroom thing would be an easy fix. I've been in fairly upscale public bathrooms that were not designated men/women. There were 2-3 stalls. The stalls were completely private, with floor to ceiling walls, regular doors, and regular door locks. Everyone, male and female, washed in the same sinks. No big deal.

And actually, it could work out fairly well because there wouldn't be the age-old problem of a big line outside the women's bathroom and no line in the men's.

It was a heck of a lot better than a women's bathroom where there are big gaps between the sides and the door, and the locks are so loose that they come unlatched 3 times while you are trying to pee.

Why don't they provide more privacy in the locker rooms at school? Any kid who wants privacy should get it. And I guarantee the transgender kid would want it.

Unfortunately, they would be expensive and not likely within school and small business budgets.

Common sense people...

If he/she has an OUTIE....he/she uses the boys/mens room.

If he/she has an INNIE....he/she uses the girls/womens room.

School are not to cater to the rights of one but to safety and welfare for ALL the kids....

Kids cannot get their CHOICE of bathrooms. They use the bathroom they are ASSIGNED to based of of their (current) biological gender.......

You've got this all figured out, right? Everything is black and white, cut and dried to you. Makes me wonder how you ever found your way out of the Morg with a rigid mind like that?

For the good and welfare of ALL kids in our public schools?? Yes, it is quite simple. If a transgender male (outie) has to use the boys bathroom, he can go into a stall and squat to pee.

He cannot go into the girls bathroom just so he "feels better about himself" all the while making ALL the girls uncomfortable.

And don't ass_u_me.....look at my screen name again..

You know how normally, you can just look at a person and can tell from their face if they are male or female? For some people, it doesn't work like that. My brother's roommate looked like a girl trying to dress like a boy. As far as I know, he was genetically, anatomically, and psychologically male, but he looked very distintly female, and there wasn't a thing he could do about it.
I think you're assuming that anyone with an "outie" is going to be physically male in every other way. That's not always the case.
What if you have someone who looks male but has an "innie"? Wouldn't she make the other girls uncomfortable, just as much as a transgender male?
What it comes down to is whether you're going to try to force individuals to fit into your binary view for the comfort of the people around them, or accept that the individual actually is the gender that they identify with.

So intersex kids don't get bathrooms?

And trans girls (male to female) are much likelier to be physically unsafe, due to the high potential of rape or assault, because they have to use a men's bathroom than the girls they'd be sharing a bathroom with. Trans men are bullied in either. Gender neutral bathrooms are a good option. Statistics bear out the fact about who is truly made unsafe in these situations (hint: not the cisgender kids).

Oh, and your point about the majority not bending to the minority? It's so true; we should get rid of wheelchair accessible stalls and parking, too. And ramps. People in wheelchairs are the minority and it's disgusting that the majority should cater to them, dontcha think?