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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 10:29AM

"Making a child or youth feel worthless, unloved, or unwanted can inflict serious and long-lasting injury. Young people need loving understanding--not bullying or ostracism." -DALLIN H. OAKS General Conference October 2012.

Talk about speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

This is the very definition of Hypocrisy.

All I know for sure is that all of the Big 15 "speak as men" each and every time they open their mouths no matter which side they are speaking out of.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 10:32AM

Sure -- unless that child has gay parents. Then they're fair game for the morg.

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Posted by: Doxi ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 10:59AM

blueorchid Wrote, in part:
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> All I know for sure is that all of the Big 15
> "speak as men" each and every time they open their
> mouths no matter which side they are speaking out
> of.
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Yup. Very unpleasant, odious, sanctimonious, avaricious, malicious, hateful, obnoxious, abhorrent, repugnant, cruel, greedy, pharisaical, uncaring, bigoted, hypocritical, censorious, self-righteous, phony, unctuous, and not-nice-at-all men.

Other than that they're okay.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 11:02AM

LMAO Doxi. Yeah, other than that . . .

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Posted by: Cold-Dodger ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 11:43AM

Protect the Children by D.H. Oaks

Highlight: "None should resist the plea that we unite to increase our concern for the welfare and future of our children—the rising generation."

We can all remember our feelings when a little child cried out and reached up to us for help. A loving Heavenly Father gives us those feelings to impel us to help His children. Please recall those feelings as I speak about our responsibility to protect and act for the well-being of children.

I speak from the perspective of the gospel of Jesus Christ, including His plan of salvation. That is my calling. Local Church leaders have responsibility for a single jurisdiction, like a ward or stake, but an Apostle is responsible to witness to the entire world. In every nation, of every race and creed, all children are children of God.

Although I do not speak in terms of politics or public policy, like other Church leaders, I cannot speak for the welfare of children without implications for the choices being made by citizens, public officials, and workers in private organizations. We are all under the Savior’s command to love and care for each other and especially for the weak and defenseless.

Children are highly vulnerable. They have little or no power to protect or provide for themselves and little influence on so much that is vital to their well-being. Children need others to speak for them, and they need decision makers who put their well-being ahead of selfish adult interests.

I.

Worldwide, we are shocked at the millions of children victimized by evil adult crimes and selfishness.

In some war-torn countries, children are abducted to serve as soldiers in contending armies.

A United Nations report estimates that over two million children are victimized each year through prostitution and pornography.

From the perspective of the plan of salvation, one of the most serious abuses of children is to deny them birth. This is a worldwide trend. The national birthrate in the United States is the lowest in 25 years, and the birthrates in most European and Asian countries have been below replacement levels for many years. This is not just a religious issue. As rising generations diminish in numbers, cultures and even nations are hollowed out and eventually disappear.

One cause of the diminishing birthrate is the practice of abortion. Worldwide, there are estimated to be more than 40 million abortions per year. Many laws permit or even promote abortion, but to us this is a great evil. Other abuses of children that occur during pregnancy are the fetal impairments that result from the mother’s inadequate nutrition or drug use.

There is a tragic irony in the multitude of children eliminated or injured before birth while throngs of infertile couples long for and seek babies to adopt.

Childhood abuses or neglect of children that occur after birth are more publicly visible. Worldwide, almost eight million children die before their fifth birthday, mostly from diseases both treatable and preventable. And the World Health Organization reports that one in four children have stunted growth, mentally and physically, because of inadequate nutrition. Living and traveling internationally, we Church leaders see much of this. The general presidency of the Primary report children living in conditions “beyond our imaginations.” A mother in the Philippines said: “Sometimes we do not have enough money for food, but that is all right because it gives me the opportunity to teach my children about faith. We gather and pray for relief, and the children see the Lord bless us.” In South Africa, a Primary worker met a little girl, lonely and sad. In faint responses to loving questions, she said she had no mother, no father, and no grandmother—only a grandfather to care for her. Such tragedies are common on a continent where many caregivers have died of AIDS.

Even in rich nations little children and youth are impaired by neglect. Children growing up in poverty have inferior health care and inadequate educational opportunities. They are also exposed to dangerous environments in their physical and cultural surroundings and even from the neglect of their parents. Elder Jeffrey R. Holland recently shared the experience of an LDS police officer. In an investigation he found five young children huddled together and trying to sleep without bedding on a filthy floor in a dwelling where their mother and others were drinking and partying. The apartment had no food to relieve their hunger. After tucking the children into a makeshift bed, the officer knelt and prayed for their protection. As he walked toward the door, one of them, about six, pursued him, grabbed him by the hand, and pleaded, “Will you please adopt me?”

We remember our Savior’s teaching as He placed a little child before His followers and declared:

“And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

“But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:5–6).

When we consider the dangers from which children should be protected, we should also include psychological abuse. Parents or other caregivers or teachers or peers who demean, bully, or humiliate children or youth can inflict harm more permanent than physical injury. Making a child or youth feel worthless, unloved, or unwanted can inflict serious and long-lasting injury on his or her emotional well-being and development. Young people struggling with any exceptional condition, including same-gender attraction, are particularly vulnerable and need loving understanding—not bullying or ostracism.

With the help of the Lord, we can repent and change and be more loving and helpful to children—our own and those around us.

II.

There are few examples of physical or emotional threats to children as important as those arising out of their relationships with their parents or guardians. President Thomas S. Monson has spoken of what he called the “vile deeds” of child abuse, where a parent has broken or disfigured a child, physically or emotionally. I grieved as I had to study the shocking evidence of such cases during my service on the Utah Supreme Court.

Of utmost importance to the well-being of children is whether their parents were married, the nature and duration of the marriage, and, more broadly, the culture and expectations of marriage and child care where they live. Two scholars of the family explain: “Throughout history, marriage has first and foremost been an institution for procreation and raising children. It has provided the cultural tie that seeks to connect the father to his children by binding him to the mother of his children. Yet in recent times, children have increasingly been pushed from center stage.”

A Harvard law professor describes the current law and attitude toward marriage and divorce: “The [current] American story about marriage, as told in the law and in much popular literature, goes something like this: marriage is a relationship that exists primarily for the fulfillment of the individual spouses. If it ceases to perform this function, no one is to blame and either spouse may terminate it at will. … Children hardly appear in the story; at most they are rather shadowy characters in the background.”

Our Church leaders have taught that looking “upon marriage as a mere contract that may be entered into at pleasure … and severed at the first difficulty … is an evil meriting severe condemnation,” especially where “children are made to suffer.” And children are impacted by divorces. Over half of the divorces in a recent year involved couples with minor children.

Many children would have had the blessing of being raised by both of their parents if only their parents had followed this inspired teaching in the family proclamation: “Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. … Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another.” The most powerful teaching of children is by the example of their parents. Divorcing parents inevitably teach a negative lesson.

There are surely cases when a divorce is necessary for the good of the children, but those circumstances are exceptional. In most marital contests the contending parents should give much greater weight to the interests of the children. With the help of the Lord, they can do so. Children need the emotional and personal strength that come from being raised by two parents who are united in their marriage and their goals. As one who was raised by a widowed mother, I know firsthand that this cannot always be achieved, but it is the ideal to be sought whenever possible.

Children are the first victims of current laws permitting so-called “no-fault divorce.” From the standpoint of children, divorce is too easy. Summarizing decades of social science research, a careful scholar concluded that “the family structure that produces the best outcomes for children, on average, are two biological parents who remain married.” A New York Times writer noted “the striking fact that even as traditional marriage has declined in the United States … the evidence has mounted for the institution’s importance to the well-being of children.” That reality should give important guidance to parents and parents-to-be in their decisions involving marriage and divorce. We also need politicians, policy makers, and officials to increase their attention to what is best for children in contrast to the selfish interests of voters and vocal advocates of adult interests.

Children are also victimized by marriages that do not occur. Few measures of the welfare of our rising generation are more disturbing than the recent report that 41 percent of all births in the United States were to women who were not married. Unmarried mothers have massive challenges, and the evidence is clear that their children are at a significant disadvantage when compared with children raised by married parents.

Most of the children born to unmarried mothers—58 percent—were born to couples who were cohabitating. Whatever we may say about these couples’ forgoing marriage, studies show that their children suffer significant comparative disadvantages. For children, the relative stability of marriage matters.

We should assume the same disadvantages for children raised by couples of the same gender. The social science literature is controversial and politically charged on the long-term effect of this on children, principally because, as a New York Times writer observed, “same-sex marriage is a social experiment, and like most experiments it will take time to understand its consequences.”

III.

I have spoken for children—children everywhere. Some may reject some of these examples, but none should resist the plea that we unite to increase our concern for the welfare and future of our children—the rising generation.

We are speaking of the children of God, and with His powerful help, we can do more to help them. In this plea I address not only Latter-day Saints but also all persons of religious faith and others who have a value system that causes them to subordinate their own needs to those of others, especially to the welfare of children.

Religious persons are also conscious of the Savior’s New Testament teaching that pure little children are our role models of humility and teachableness:

“Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

“Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3–4).

In the Book of Mormon we read of the risen Lord teaching the Nephites that they must repent and be baptized “and become as a little child” or they could not inherit the kingdom of God (3 Nephi 11:38; see also Moroni 8:10).

I pray that we will humble ourselves as little children and reach out to protect our little children, for they are the future for us, for our Church, and for our nations. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 12:54PM

Thanks for finding that and posting.

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 05:38PM

this should be posted on FB for all TBM's to be reminded

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 12:01PM

(fictional story)

Justin and Jayden are fraternal twins. They were born to a temple-married mormon couple. Five years into her marriage, their mother -- who had been struggling with same-sex attraction all of her life, keeping it hidden because her church told her it was wrong and evil, could no longer pretend to be something she wasn't. She came out to her husband, a TBM who could not handle her sexuality, and who immediately divorced her. The two share custody of the two children, with the father continuing to bring the kids to church every week, and teach them mormon doctrines. Their mother, now married to a lovely woman, in a stable home, is not involved in mormonism.

As Justin and Jayden approach 8 years old, their father wants to have them be baptized. All of the other kids they attend church with are baptized at 8 years old, and it's expected they will be, too. However, the church issues a new "policy" excluding them from baptism until they're 18. Their father explains to the kids that they can't be baptized, and it's their disgusting mother's fault for being evil and sinful and gay. The other kids keep asking them why they're not being baptized like everyone else, with some mocking them and their mother when they find out why.

A few years later, as Justin approaches his 12th birthday, all of his male friends at church are being ordained deacons -- the normal "rite of passage" for 12 year old boys in the church. Not being baptized, Justin can't be ordained. Again, his father explains that it's all his mother's fault for her sinful ways, and the peer disapproval for Justin (who loves his mother) is almost too much to bear. His father has driven a wedge between him and his mother, and he's ridiculed by his friends on account of his mother. Each "milestone" year -- 14, 16, etc. -- when he'd normally "advance in priesthood rank" brings more conflict, peer condemnation, and invective from his father against his mother.

Jayden, though not going through missing the priesthood as a girl, gets similar treatment from her girl friends at church. When her group is asked to go to the temple to do baptisms for the dead, she can't go -- not being baptized, she can't get a TR for the trip. Her friends make fun of her and her mother over it. Her father blames her mother over and over again.

Finally, as they approach age 18, the bishop pulls the twins in for an "interview." He explains to them that up to now they haven't been able to participate in church functions and duties because of their mother's sinful ways, but now they have an opportunity to do so: they can be baptized at 18, and start to catch up to their peers in terms of church worthiness, if they'll just renounce their mother and her sinful ways. That's all they have to do to enjoy the full blessings of the gospel, and to leave behind the awful stigma they've lived with for the past 11 years.

They're both confused. They've suffered the tauntings of their friends for years, and wanted to be just like them in church functions. They've heard their father blame their mother for years for their "unworthiness," and as the priesthood leader of their family, they are supposed to accept what he says.
But...they love their mother. They don't want to denounce her. She's loving, kind, and a wonderful mother.

But now they face a choice: please their father, please their church leaders, fit in with their friends...by denouncing their mother as a horrible person; or stand by the mother they love, and lose what they've been told all their life is "salvation," and lose the approval of their father.

It's a horrible choice.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 12:35PM

Scorching. It may be fictional now, but it won't be long before it will be a reality for many.

This is insight. Really good insight--unfortunately.

It's alway the gay person's fault. The church has cemented it with this latest policy. But everyone suffers--also cemented by the Mormon church's policy.

But don't forget . . .only Mormons know true happiness. I know that because my mother told me so.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 12:47PM

to my own children and I pointed that out to my SIL. When my fraternal twins were born 30 years ago, she had a son, her sister had a daughter, and her other brother had a son, so 5 children born very close together in one family.

Her brother is not active Mormon.

So if my ex had left me and moved in with his boyfriend (he did when they were 10) before they turned 8, they would not have been able to be baptized. What about when they turned 12 and my son couldn't have received the priesthood because by then my ex was living with his partner.

It is amazing how someone can't see it UNLESS it happens to them, but then oftentimes they don't see it anyway.

My daughter is TBM. How is this going to effect her?

It's okay to throw someone else's child under the bus.

My SIL is a hypocrite in oh so many ways.

At least my over the top TBM aunt changed her position when I explained to her how the children are effected. She'll never leave the church (77 years old), but at least she no longer sees it as "just policy."

Thankfully, my son is long out and never received the "priesthood."

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 01:36PM

What if one twin decided to live with the same-sex couple? One twin can get baptized and the other can't?

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 03:11PM

For me, Blue Orchid put his finger on one of the nastiest aspects about this sinister farce: there may well be MORE children of gays among mormons than in the "general population" because, as cl2 and others here know too well, LDS policy (or maybe it's doctrine?) has been to encourage gays to marry heterosexuals and have children.

So now they're pushing them all away.

How long before the first suicides linked to this?

Tom in Paris



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2015 03:26PM by Soft Machine.

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Posted by: generationofvipers ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 03:23PM

Holy Hell. This man is a snake. What a sanctimonious prick. How dare he preach to people about what young people need? Especially since he is the man that is driving the anti-gay agenda from the auspices of WCF or whatever hate group.

What did Jesus say about hypocrites again???

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Posted by: BYU Boner ( )
Date: November 11, 2015 05:48PM

Dallin, you're a fucking hypocrite! You like to appear compassionate, educated, and tolerant. You are a two-faced bigot.

BYU Boner, class of 1976.

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