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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 10:06AM

It would take more than just two people to populate the Earth:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160113-could-just-two-people-repopulate-earth

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 11:51AM

"It would take more than just two people to populate the Earth"

So, Adam & Eve coulda had a three-way with Steve?

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Posted by: anonuk ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:09PM

only if steve was another girl.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:30PM

"only if steve was another girl."

Like Caitlyn Jenner?

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Posted by: anonuk ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:42PM

caitlyn jenner is unable to procreate.

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Posted by: southern idaho inactive ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:03PM

Maybe they were aliens!??? If they were human, eventually Eve would get tired of being pregnant all the time.....

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:08PM

Don't forget that Adam was banging Lilith before he had Eve.

The first man was also the first plyg, apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

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Posted by: southern idaho inactive ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:10PM

Wasn't she in "True Blood"!??

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Posted by: seekyr ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 05:43PM

Yes, in all her full frontal nudity splendor - well, except that she was totally drenched in blood.

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Posted by: anonuk ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:12PM

isn't genetic 'eve' much younger than genetic 'adam'? if so, perhaps all the tales of lilith are not so far fetched.

Maybe 'our' eve of the garden mated with a man carrying much, much older Y chromosome from original 'adam'.

just a thought.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 04:09PM

Don't forget the Nephilim who were mating with women in Genesis to interbreed.

They were space travelers and giants from another place and time.

Eve was seduced by the serpent in the Garden of Eden before she seduced Adam.

I always felt that the apple was just a synonym for sex as it was the "forbidden fruit." There are those who take it literally, but honestly what's the worst thing that can come from eating an apple? You might bite into a worm, but it doesn't copulate.

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Posted by: perky ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:24PM

This is a fatal flaw in Mormon doctrine. Without Adam and Eve and the fall, the whole gospel falls apart.

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Posted by: axeldc ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:31PM

I can't believe modern Americans actually take the Bible as literal. The Flood, the Creation story, Jonah, Balaam's ass, etc. all cannot be taken literal. How did Joshua stop the sun when the Earth revolves around it? If he did stop the Earth from rotating, the winds would stop and the tides would be devastating. Even at BYU, our professors described Job as an allegory and not an actual event.

Every culture has its creation myth, and Adam & Eve are just the Hebrew one, passed down to Christianity and Islam. Anyone who thinks that women were created from Adam's rib or that the Earth is 6,000 years old has his head in the sand.

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Posted by: contrarymary ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 02:13PM

In the sand, or inside their own posterior.

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Posted by: siobhan ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 04:34PM

I don't take the bible literally either but most study materials I've used state that Adam and Eve myth is the beginning of the Hebrew people. There were plenty of other people down the way for Adam&Eve's children to marry.

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Posted by: weeder ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 02:56PM


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Posted by: fool ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 03:30PM

It can't fall apart, it never came together. What we have is a bunch of people standing around telling each other they can see a building that isn't there.

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Posted by: perky ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:26PM

Not only started by Adam and Eve, but started over again after Noah etc..

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 04:40PM

perky Wrote:
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> Not only started by Adam and Eve, but started over
> again after Noah etc..

Which, if it were true, would mean ever male got their Y
chromosome from Noah. Which means every male would have the
same Y chromosome.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 12:35PM

All things are possible with God!!!!!!!

/end sarcasm

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Posted by: alx71tx ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:49PM

This article is a good reminder of some of the benefits that interracial marriage can bring to the human race.

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Posted by: alx71tx ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:52PM

Make that "interracial parenting", not "interracial marriage", as I wrote that too hurriedly. Sure a lot of couples that have children together are those who entered into a legal contract called "marriage" via some government office. But according to my high school biology textbook that's not how babies are made ;)

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:52PM

Thank you! I was happy to do my part.

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Posted by: the1v ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 02:13PM

It was also my pleasure to help the human race.

Much, much, pleasure.

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Posted by: scaredhusband ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:55PM

Well that destroyed my teenage fantasy of some cataclysmic event happening. Then me and the girl I am crushing on being the only surviving people(so she has to like me) and repopulating the earth.

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Posted by: goodlyexmormon ( )
Date: January 16, 2016 05:38PM

I have that same fantasy except I always brought 10 or so ther friends so it wouldn't get to incesty. It's so embarrassingly romantic.

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Posted by: copolt ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 01:57PM

The British Prime Minister is called 'THE FIRST MINISTER' but he wasn't the first.

Adam is called 'THE FIRST MAN' but he wasn't the first.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 02:15PM

so the first lady is not the first ?

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Posted by: Historischer ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 03:06PM

And the First Presidency obviously had no predecessors.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 03:37PM

copolt Wrote:
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> The British Prime Minister is called 'THE FIRST
> MINISTER' but he wasn't the first.
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> Adam is called 'THE FIRST MAN' but he wasn't the
> first.

He wasn't any. It's a myth. As in made-up. Not real. Fictional.

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Posted by: the1v ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 03:23PM

Okay everyone this is a classic case of populations genetics. The model we used to understand it is called Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium.

Here's a little light reading on the subject to help you out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy%E2%80%93Weinberg_principle

What you didn't follow all of that? Okay here's the cliff notes: Hardy-Weinberg formula is the theoretical constant for keeping a population allele frequency stable. Since this does not occur in nature (even if slow, allele frequencies are constantly changing), expansions from the concept are used to calculate the rate of change in frequencies.

What's causes a change in allele frequency? A selection force like natural, sexual, environmental, or isolation. So in essence Hardy-Weinberg is used to calculate the rate of evolution.

So why in the hell did I bring this up?

A drastic reduction in the number of reproducing individuals is called a bottleneck. Bottlenecks radically alter the genetic makeup of the population as you can imagine.

Reducing the population down to two individuals is as extreme of bottleneck as it gets. Future generations will have a much higher risk of of a few negative recessive alleles. However in time the constant rate of mutation will create broad genetic diversity. Odds are that this diversity will look very different than what we see today.

There is a very high risk of failure in the early generations, say the first 100 or so. There will be very little genetic diversity to adapt to a new pathogen or other environment. Breeding rates will suffer due higher levels of miscarriage and those born with defects. In time mutation will add in enough diversity to lessen the risk but until it reaches that point you have a high rate of failure.

This is why they come up with the minimum numbers of individual. This is where the statistical odds of success are the best.

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Posted by: desertman ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 03:38PM

Even the "Lost Book of Enki" translated by Stichin speaks of multiple clonings to create the species.

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Posted by: weeder ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 05:27PM

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/early-human-population-size-genetic-diversity/

(Note: R-rated ;-) )

"New genetic findings suggest that early humans living about one million years ago were extremely close to extinction."

That was, of course, after Gawd quit experimenting and got down to the real business of the creation of "man" or, at least, the "man Adam."

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 15, 2016 08:45PM

Brigham taught that Adam came to this world with his wives.

See.....modern revelation once again is proven true.

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Posted by: icedtea ( )
Date: January 16, 2016 03:35PM

Well, if you have a fertile span of several hundred years and so do your kids...

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