"Uh, no you don't.
That's what gets us in trouble.
You have to acknowledge other people's beliefs.
And then you have to reserve the right to say, "That's fucking stupid, are you kidding me?"

Patton Oswalt

I couldn't agree more.
Why respect stupidity?

Why respect Doomsday Sex CULTS that are still abusing kids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YMs1ydTlg

their beliefs do not deserve respect.

are they willing to respect my lack of beliefs ?

When you're dead
You don't know you're dead
It is only difficult for others.

It's the same way when
You're STUPID

I respect their right to believe whatever primitive superstitions they want.

I'll respect your idiotic beliefs if you'll respect mine.

Before I respect someone or some thing, it must be respectable.

People who are not respectable are the first to insist on it or use it's concept as a weapon.

People who are respectable don't even think about it.

When people insist on being respected, what they are expecting is deference.

I prefer good manners even in bad situations if possible, but only I decide who gets my respect. No one is owed it. I give it rarely. Still, I'm very free with good manners.

I acknowledge that people have a right to believe what they want to. I feel no obligation to respect those beliefs.

Humberto Wrote:
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> I acknowledge that people have a right to believe
> what they want to. I feel no obligation to respect
> those beliefs.

Exactly.
Respect is earned -- if you give it to everything, earned or not, it loses any meaning.

"I acknowledge that people have a right to believe what they want to. I feel no obligation to respect those beliefs."

There's that old saying, "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." In like manner, your right to believe that your god will reward you with 72 virgins in the afterlife if you kill people who don't believe in your religion crosses the line.

I don't. Guess I suffer from belief-aphobia. ;)

I got no respect for not believing, so that ship has already sailed.

Telling people they're "fuckin' stupid" is fuckin' stupid.


Nobody needs to "respect" stupid things. But we should respect human beings as human beings, regardless of their beliefs, whether they are stupid or not. Basic courtesy makes for a decent society. We are more than our beliefs, by far.

(Of course, all bets are off if you are a comedian. That's their job. The problem is when people who are not comedians act like "comedians" in real life. Don't do it.)

Human

Everyone has a right to their opinions. They get to choose to believe in crazy ideas. As long as they don't force these ideas on me, I can respect their right to think or worship as they see fit. I don't need to allow it in my home, at my workplace or anywhere I am in charge of the conversation.

I kind of disagree.

I see no need to have an opinion about another's belief until that belief starts to effect my belief. In that vein I must, to some extent, give a certain deference to every belief whether or not I have an opinion regarding any specific belief. This is the case because I have beliefs and I value my beliefs.

This is the quid pro quo of living in a society.

The fact that I don't honor or respect or esteem another's belief is of no concern to that person. And I wish for their opinions of my beliefs to be equally unimportant.

My approach is

I can accept that in your opinion that is true. However I do not share your opinion!

I make what I think is a logical separation: we all have the same rights to our beliefs. It's about equal rights.
We all have the same rights to many things in life. Beliefs is one of them.
That doesn't mean we must respect, like, or accept those beliefs, however. Only the RIGHT to them as human beings.

A belief is an idea that a person holds without putting in the effort to find out if the idea works, not worthy of the respect that it gets.

But I think it's good practice to respect people and try to engage the belief and the person separately.

I will respect your belief, provided you respect mine.

Mine is:

"You are a fucking idiot."

NOW RESPECT MY BELIEF!!!

Funny!

the1v Wrote:
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> I will respect your belief, provided you respect
> mine.
>
> Mine is:
>
> "I BELIEVE You are a fucking idiot."
>
> NOW RESPECT MY BELIEF!!!


Fixed it.

Three quotes from H. L. Mencken:

"The most curious social convention of the great age in which we
live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be
respected."

"We must respect the other fellow’s religion, but only in the
sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife
is beautiful and his children smart."

"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what
is not true. In order to overcome that tendency it is not
sufficient to exhibit the true; it is also necessary to expose
and denounce the false."

Freedom of religion is a very rare thing in the world we live in. Say what you will about the FLDS and other similar groups but these people actually believe in what they profess. The ossified gerontocratic collective that runs LDS Church knows all about Mormonism's fraudulent origin. They only profess their "faith" internally to believers and not to external audiences. Mormonism is marketed with "bait and switch" techniques. It's a scam.

No one must ever express unrealistic admiration toward stupidity: 1. "I so admire Mormons because they worship Joe Smith and believe in three kinds of glory."

2. "You have a right to believe what you want and I'll do the same.

Mormons want to be admired and honored (1.) for their crazy beliefs.

That's something they won't get from me (2.)

Whenever somebody pulls this "respect my beliefs" card on me I will retort:

I don't respect anyone's beliefs. I respect people whom I judge to be respectable. I only acknowledge another's right to their own beliefs, however ridiculous they may be.

When someone tells me that I "have to" or "need to" anything my first response is "Why?".

When someone tells me "Respect my beliefs and I will respect yours", my response is "My respect is earned and not demanded".

When someone tells me that my disagreeing with their beliefs OFFENDS or hurts them, again I ask "Why?".

I don't feel I need to tell random folks to F*ck off...or demand they respect me or my choices. They are not part of my inner circle of the people in my life who I am in relationship with where we have mutual respect, love and understanding for our similarities and differences.

No one will ever tell me how to think, feel, or BE anything again.

RMM

Respect my ignorance and I'll respect yours.

Respect is just a fantasy, as is the entire framework of human cultural emotions. I only acknowledge your right to live and to die. Take your expectations of me and swallow them because they are as useless as shit.



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Respect is earned. If someone deems it necessary to tell me they are a Christian/Jew/Muslim/whatever in their first sentence, they've used up their 9 lives. Fuck 'em.

RB

We need to tolerate people's beliefs to a certain degree. But we do not need to respect those beliefs.