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Posted by: brettys ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 09:34PM

Some righteous mo on the Trib responded to me with this post today:

"The Book of Mormon says very, very clearly that we won't suddenly turn from unrighteousness to righteousness. That only stands to reason our weaknesses are going to be there in the afterlife. They won't go away.
It's also been said that weaknesses are more difficult to overcome without a body (which you won't have in the spirit world) than it is with a body. Since, most people need help to overcome weaknesses in this life, how logical is it to believe they won't need help in the next when it's harder?
And Christ during his life has always allowed those willing to follow him, to essentially do what he would do. It's part of our mortal existence. How logical is it that this part so vital to our mortal existence as it is part of being perfected, won't be part of our amortal existence? Especially considering that by time we pack our bags and head to the spirit world, we're still not perfect.
How logical is it to say there's no missionary work in the afterlife when there's clearly a prison. Why is there a spirit prison if there's no reason anyone should be there?"

I hadn't heard the term "spirit prison" since maybe seminary, and I never understood what it was. Will our ghostie selves be behind spiritual bars? What crimes put you in spirit prison?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2016 10:23PM by brettys.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 09:44PM

A temple worker contracts a wasting disease a year before his TR expires. He dies 18 months later, without renewing the TR.

When he gets to the sentinel angels, since he knows all the necessary "what's the password?" responses, does he get into paradise? If he does, then why couldn't I, if I've studied up on passwords?

If the lack of a TR, keeps him out, what does that say about the organization ghawd is running?

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Posted by: brettys ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 09:56PM

That's deep. God will have to sort it out on the other side. I hope you get to be one of the sentinel angels. I wasn't even aware of them.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 09:58PM

If I'm a sentinel angel, don't turn your back to me, and watch my hands.

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Posted by: seekyr ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:31PM

The whole idea of secret signs and handshakes is so insane.

So what if someone sneakily finds out the secret signs, as you said? Okay, surely a supreme being on the other side would know if they had acquired that information "illegally".

So if they can already KNOW if you are authentic or not, why don't they just know if you're worthy or not and skip the whole secret symbols thing?

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Posted by: Humberto ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 10:13PM

It's funny to me that the poster claims some sort of "logical" superiority when discussing the afterlife.

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Posted by: brettys ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 10:48PM

Yes, "it" is a very superior individual and knows everything. It even said, "The mason stole the ceremonies from God, so it's all good he reclaimed them," when I pointed out that Joseph S. stole the temple ceremonies from Masons. It has a direct line to God. I gave up responding. It won.

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Posted by: seekyr ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 10:35PM

"weaknesses are more difficult to overcome without a body" I remember hearing that before, but. . .

What kind of weaknesses would people have without a body?
- You can't smoke or booze it up without a body.
- you can't do work so you can't be lazy
- You can't commit adultery without a body, and I don't see how you'd lust if you couldn't feel.
- You can't be tempted to choose a colored shirt instead of a white one, if you don't have a body to wear it
- Your formless self can't steal or harm anyone
- What are you going to lie about? "I was totally thinking something nice just now." "No you weren't, it was something bad." "No really, I was thinking all sorts of wholesome thoughts."
So I don't get that.

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:57AM

without a body, you can't even sidle up to the bar and have a drink. Good gawd! eternity is going to be boring.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:26PM

Women in the olde west had to side sidle up to the bar...

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Posted by: Historischer ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 09:14AM

I think the idea would be that you can't refuse to drink or commit adultery if it isn't even possible. And refusing physical temptations in the flesh is what builds character and righteousness.

But that would probably be a minority of sins. The real serious sins are the symbolic ones, like swearing or wearing colored shirts. I would guess that over time, even a spirit could decide not to do those things.

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Posted by: seekyr ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 10:25AM

Are people going to be bombarded with temptations in the next life for which they must learn to overcome now, while in the flesh?

An answer to the question, BTW, would not be a game changer for me. I don't believe in heaven and judgement and all that. It simply makes no sense to me and is not even something I'm sorry not to believe in.

But it just seems like people are going to a lot of trouble and sacrifice to learn how to swim when their next life is only going to be a desert.



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Posted by: getbusylivin ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 10:54PM

Spirit prison? With my luck I'll end up in soul-itary confinement.

[rimshot!]

[wild applause!]

Thank you, thankyouverymuch, yer tooo kind!

I'm here 'til the Apocalypse... try the bread and water!...

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Posted by: verilyverily ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:04PM

Probably depends on what the weakness is.....
if it is porno/masturbation or adultery etc., it will be easier to overcome WITHOUT a body.

Someone said that "thinking" the sin is the same as doing it. I never did believe that, but I imagine that it would have some impact on it too.

Anyone who has internet access can memorize the passwords and other secret [Oh! I mean sacred] crap. So, what impact does that have on spirit prison?

Everything about this EVIL CULT is crazy!



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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 01:02AM

I've had some big issues with memory. I asked a GA what would happen if I can't remember all the temple rituals. His reply was that I would have a perfect memory after I die, and not to worry about it.

So hey! If you go online and learn the whole ritual, NO worries! You only have to read it once and it will be there for eternity. So easy. That leads to the question: Why go to the temple over and over and over? They've run out of names, we will have perfect memory when we die, the whole thing has become a moot point. They better pray the end is coming soon as they're running out of bull shit excuses.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:15PM

https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

http://www.watchman.org/articles/mormonism/hell-paradise-and-spirit-missionaries/

Hell, Paradise and Spirit Missionaries

Rick Branch

"What is the state of the soul between death and the resurrection? The righteous are in paradise while the wicked are in spirit prison," (Temple Preparation Seminar Discussions, p. 8).

Immediately upon death, according to Mormonism, the soul leaves the body and enters either Paradise (only Mormons) or Spirit Prison, which is sometimes referred to as Hell (all non-LDS).

This however, is not the final abode of the dead. Rather it is simply another probational or temporary place.

As the Ensign magazine, official periodical of the Mormon Church explains, "According to Latter-day Saint doctrine, the postearthly spirit world is the place of residence for all those who have died and are awaiting the resurrection's inseparable connection of their spirits and bodies.

"Thus, it is not the place where God the Father, the resurrected Lord, and other resurrected beings dwell.

"Rather, it is an intermediate condition or state where people await the resurrection - a tangible sphere where disembodied spirits live in one of several conditions according to what their mortal lives have merited," (January 1977, p. 48).

The destination of each individual is determined by "merit" or by their actions while on earth.

Even these places are not the final estates. Rather, the individual who discovers they have been sent to hell can escape and enter paradise, if they follow the Mormon gospel.

The Ensign continues by explaining the next steps in this process.

"Just as paradise is not the eternal abode of the righteous, hell in the spirit world is not the eternal abode of the wicked.

"However, it is chiefly a place of learning and waiting, not a place of suffering. Here those who did not have an opportunity in mortality to receive the gospel and those who had a partial opportunity but rejected it will be taught," (Ibid).

According to Mormonism, every person will have the chance to accept the gospel, the Mormon law of eternal progression, either in this life or in spirit prison hell.

As Joseph Fielding Smith, the tenth LDS prophet explained, "The Lord has made it known that his mercy extends to the uttermost bounds and that every soul is entitled to hear the gospel plan, either in this life or in the spirit world.

"All who hear and believe, repenting and receiving the gospel in its fullness, whether living or dead, are heirs of salvation in the celestial kingdom of God," (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, p. 133).

At this point two questions must be answered for clarification.

First, if all wicked people who die find themselves in spirit prison or hell, and all Mormons go to paradise, who are the ones teaching the true gospel to those deceased people in hell?
Spirit Missionaries

This question is answered in chapter 45 of the book Gospel Principles when it states, "Missionaries from paradise visit the spirit prison to teach the gospel," (p. 280).

Not only do living LDS missionaries travel throughout the world today spreading the gospel of Mormonism, but their deceased counterparts travel throughout the spirit world too.

In fact, the missionary work in the spirit world is apparently happening on a grander scale than it is on Earth.

"The Latter-day Saint view of the spirit world reveals that there is work being performed there. The most magnificent and extensive missionary program the mind can contemplate is centered in the spirit world," (Ensign, January 1977, p. 51).

The Ensign article acknowledges, that while the spirit missionaries are teaching the gospel and those in hell are accepting the Mormon gospel - this is not enough.

"And yet this ministry in the spirit world is not sufficient to achieve the ultimate salvation of the noble dead. Why?

"Because it take as much to save a dead man as it does a living man," (Ibid).

Remembering that two of the steps necessary for progression into the celestial kingdom were baptism and marriage in an LDS Temple, the second question which must be answered is, how are these to be accomplished by those who have already died?
Dead Works

It is for this reason that Mormons believe and practice the doctrines of Baptism for the Dead and Temple Marriage (and other ordinances) for the dead.

As Lowell Bennion, former director of the Institute of Religion for the LDS Church explained, "Why, one may well ask, do the Latter-day Saints perform ordinance work for and in behalf of the dead?

"The ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ are essential to salvation. It is necessary that all men who desire the fullest salvation in the Celestial Kingdom of God participate in them," (The Religion of the Latter-day Saints, p. 179).

It is also because of this incessant interest in the "works for and in behalf of the dead" that Mormons are interested in geneaological research.

These doctrines are so very important, that a book which is studied by many couples just prior to their temple marriage explains, "Baptism Is the Gate to Salvation: Marriage Is the Gate to Exaltation."

It continues a few pages later with, "What Ordinances are performed in the Temple?

"1. Baptism, specifically Baptism for the Dead.

"2. Ordination and associated Endowment in the Priesthood.

"3. Marriage Ceremonies.

"4. Other Sealing Ordinances.

"Each of these ceremonies or ordinances may be performed for the living, present in person, or for the dead who are represented each by an individual living proxy.

"The living are but few compared with the dead; and it follows of necessity that the ordinance-work for the departed exceeds by a great preponderance that done for the living," (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, pp. 198 & 201).

As has been stated, neither paradise nor hell are the final stops on the Mormon road of eternal progression.

Immediately following the resurrection of the dead, all will be judged.

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Posted by: brettys ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:27PM

Oh My God. The arrogance. That whole thing makes me angry, but I somehow want to let every non-mormon know mormons believe that:

"Immediately upon death, according to Mormonism, the soul leaves the body and enters either Paradise (only Mormons) or Spirit Prison, which is sometimes referred to as Hell (all non-LDS)."

Grrrrrrrrrr.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:23PM

I haven't submitted my job application yet for sentry warden. ;-)

Anyone who's an expert on spirit prison would have presumably been there and back.

Not sure if my near death experience was a trip to spirit prison or heaven. I did go through a blinding white light to get to the other side, and found myself inside a large room like a gymnasium. I watched someone who looked like an angel wearing gym clothes with a group walking to another part of the large building, when I was directed to a man standing at a table doing some kind of paperwork. He looked at me through dark glasses - I couldn't see his eyes, and asked me "What in the hell are you doing here?" (Not something St. Peter would say.) He beared a close resemblance to my never-Mo grandpa who hated Mormons with a passion all his life.

I answered him I didn't know, and that was a good question. When I was turned in another direction toward like an exit door and found myself being sent back through the same blinding white light that I went there with, to be returned back to my body.

I don't believe it was a spirit prison. It was the other side. When I mentioned it to my dad he told me it was something my late grandfather would've said. He died when I was very young.

I believe there's a place for evil spirits to go, but don't know if it's a permanent place like a hell for them, or temporary. Eternity's a long time. Whatever lessons we learn in this life I believe we take with us, for better or worse, but that our souls are on an eternal journey - and this life is just a drop in the bucket.

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 01:10AM

Sounds like you went to the cultural hall. You were in line to show you're recommend to get into a youth dance. Obviously you didn't look mormon enough to get in. Back home ya go. Wear a sweater over those shoulders next time. lol

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:33PM

Who ever heard of an old man saying, "What the hell are you doing here?"

I was believing your story up until that point...

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:23PM

Spirit Prison is where your joie de vivre is locked up after becoming a TBM.

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Posted by: Cpete ( )
Date: March 23, 2016 11:31PM

More busy work for the drones.

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Posted by: frogdogs ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:51AM

Jesus, this afterlife bureaucracy just keeps getting more complicated. I suppose if I don't manage to land a position as an entry level plural wife of some schlepped out priesthood holder in the CK, maybe I could get work as a parole officer in one of the TKs?? Granted, I'm just spitballing here...

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:53AM

Let us not forget. Joe made that all up. Just another day in fantasy land.

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Posted by: Slumbering Minstrel ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:54AM

Heard it's a lot like Folsom.

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Posted by: Exmoron ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 10:50AM

I hear the train a comin'
It's rollin' 'round the bend,
And I ain't seen the sunshine
Since, I don't know when
I'm stuck in Folsom Prison
And time keeps draggin' on
But that train keeps a-rollin'
On down to San Antone

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Posted by: Jive Turkey ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 02:33AM

I am an expert on real prison only. Due, principally to the fact I spent 5 years there.

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Posted by: anonuk ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 05:33AM

ouch

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Posted by: Historischer ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 09:25AM

Then it's good they let you out. Hope you're enjoying your freedom.

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Posted by: Doubting Thomas ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 05:43AM

Experts on Spirit Prison???

That's like asking for experts on the Death Star. It's fiction people!

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 11:05AM

Life is Spirit Prison - the spirit can't get out; it is trapped. His is punished for being so ignorant and foolish and blindly following false teachings and apostatic teachings and practices.

Mormonism is a trap (trapping those who follow it, any/ all the days of their lives) that's only effective when people give up truth, realty and common sense to work in it's prison of lies, guilt, shame, ignorance, neglect, torture, superstition, darkness, spiritual torment...

He is in the dark.

Keep shining you light.

Done worry about saving him - his book of morelies is doing it's job.

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Posted by: Jive Turkey ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 11:22AM

Yes, don't get me started in the legal system in this State. I posted a virtual treatise on here when I was first released but it was taken down. Probably too political. Suffice it to say the legal system, at least in the State of Utah, is not what you think it is.

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Posted by: michaelc1945 ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:10PM

Isn't "spirit prison" the "church?"

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Posted by: NeverMoJohn ( )
Date: March 24, 2016 12:18PM

Spirit prison sounds like something out Avatar, the Last Airbender.

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