Why can't they say "Look, it's not you. It's us. We're anachronistic throwbacks resisting social change because we're attached to a patriarchy that sees you as second class citizens whose redemption lies in servitude."
lurking in Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Looks like those in attendance were privileged > with the honor of listening to what passes for > Mormon wisdom from a Marriott by marriage.
Don't they serve serve serve porn porn porn at their hotels?
Apart from that, this thought by Sister Esplin is a useful one -- "We give service when we don’t criticize, when we refuse to gossip, when we don’t judge, when we smile, when we say thank you, and when we are patient and kind."
So sister Esplin needs to send that message to bishops because 90% gossip, criticize, judge, never say thank you and are impatient and mean at least those who don't hang on their every word.
annieg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So sister Esplin needs to send that message to > bishops because 90% gossip, criticize, judge, > never say thank you and are impatient and mean at > least those who don't hang on their every word.
Those were to talks that were discussed in relief society. Same old stuff like I learned in young women over 20 years ago. And at general conference they always have to mention to pay more tithing to get the full blessings. Everything for the building up of the kingdom. Deborah
It's a wonderful sign for me that I was totally unaware that there was a women's meeting last night, until a few comments showed up on facebook. And I live in Utah.
Just a comment: so the theme was service. As if women aren't already stretched far too thin. I've been out of the church for well over a decade. And I'm still trying to get to the point where I don't feel guilty for relaxing, or doing something for myself when there is still work to be done (and there will ALWAYS be work to be done).
Mormon women don't need to be told to always look for more work to be done, or someone else to help, and to continuously look for inspiration from the non-existent Holy Specter. They need to be told how to take better care of THEMSELVES: to get more sleep, to carve out time for themselves and their own hobbies. Frankly, they need to learn how to say "NO" to their kids and other people. They need to stop wasting time visiting people who don't WANT to be visited, or taking dinners to people whose families could pitch in, even if it would just be to pop a frozen dinner in the oven. They need to learn to develop REAL friendships and support for each other. But they are so busy with their 'make work' meetings and visits, and such that they don't have time for real living.
These kinds of messages create mental habits of obligations and guilt that are SO hard to break. These women, especially the most conscientious ones, are constantly questioning if they are doing 'enough'. The church puts the weight of everyone's problems on these women--not just their own family, but everyone they know.
I'm still trying to put that baggage down and to learn how to relax and enjoy life!
Agreed....I had no idea either. And I live here too. I did see everyone going to church today while outside. I wave back when they wave to me. Suckers.
Is it fast sunday today? If it is that is cruel and unusual punishment for the kiddies.
Yep, my TBM wife went to the church building to watch the broadcast and came home in kind of a crappy mood. I asked how the meeting was, and she said it was on service and basically said that she should be doing 'so much more' to help people. She said something about being selfish because she spends so much time doing her quilting hobby.
Crap, this pisses me off. She works fulltime and anyone who knows her would describe her as kind and generous. But she gets it in her head from these stupid meetings that she's just never good enough.
I completely agree with imaworkinoutit's comments. Good insight.
2thdoc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But she gets it in her head from > these stupid meetings that she's just never good > enough.
Yep. Precisely why I left. I realized that no matter how much I did, it would never be enough. I decided that I shouldn't do that to myself anymore.
Ahem...dear sister esplin is gomna make warny jeffs one durn fine celestial wife with such a chipper keep sweet attitude...they can drivel about not judging or criticizing....its as mormon as garments...im guessing thirty six hours and the rs presidency is tearing some absent but not one of the cool kids a new one...now about those refugees
The thought of thousands of mormon women hearing that talk, nodding their heads, and thinking to themselves, "That's what is wrong with my life, my marriage, and my lack of happiness -- I'm not serving my church enough!" makes me very, very sad.
And will probably drive up the prozac usage in Utah.
It's not enough to have several children, give away ten percent of your income, spend hours a week at meetings, make dinners for others, take children to church, have FHE, support a husband in his calling, visit teach, go to the temple, etc. etc. etc. I am so happy I am out. My guilt left once I discovered the fraud that is Mormonism. If any women are still members and are reading this, take back your lives. You and only you get to decide how you spend your time. And remember- YOU COUNT.
I had an issue with serving in any calling once I had my first child. They put me in YW's when she was still little. So my husband would walk the halls with our baby, or a lot of times leave early so our daughter could take a good nap and not be all messed up for the whole week. Meanwhile, I am stuck in YW's teaching things to the 12 year olds (at that time I was really questioning) I had health problems at he time as well and a family member pass away. I would get angry when I felt forced to serve, multiple times a week + meetings. I just wanted to be home with my baby and hubby. Serving others once I was a parent felt really confusing because I should be at home taking care of my family first. They say "family, isn't it about time?" That is total bull, they only care about keeping everyone so busy they cannot remember why they started in the first place. It's all for numbers. Somehow I saw that more clearly once I started my own family. I am SO happy to be done with that manipulative crap. Now I decide if I should serve others and how I should do it.
hum... I wonder what caused this flurry of redundant speeches. After all, mormon women are already stretched to the limit with family and church jobs. Could it be possible that the church is receiving numerous requests for financial assistance from baby boomers and their older parents? Are the oldsters totally broke because of Tithe, Tithe, Tithe? It is nauseating that they are asking women to do more service. ..and BTW what the hell is "modest" service? Does that mean you don't get a yellow T-shirt?
The meeting kept DW involved all freaking day. They had a big, 2-stake RS dinner. Our fridge was packed with 12 blister bags of pre-grilled Costco chicken, and four Jell-O desserts. DW had to get to the church around noon and set up tables and stuff, then help get the food out. Had to sit through the conference, then stay afterward, wash up, break down, put away, and come home. She was home about 10:00pm. I wonder if she thinks it's worth it.