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Posted by: nutofgreatprice ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 10:57AM

What happened?
Did you "lose your testimony?"

I am not a "lurker"- but I will not comment alot. Unless I think i can add something, I am content to listen.
You all seem to have everything covered pretty well.

"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."- George Costanza

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Posted by: edzachery ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:05AM

Well, I believed it for 23 years...until I read the Essays on TSCC website. yes...imagine the gall I, as a TBM, had in obeying M. Russell Ballard's instruction that we should read the Essays and know them "like the back of our hand." OK. Being a good soldier, I begin reading...and my jaw drops to the floor. It changed my whole life; rocked my world, so-to-speak. See my current entry on this page called "Unintended consequences of the Essays."

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Posted by: gatorman ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 04:07PM

Hi Ed
Meeting with Bish never materialized. Got my ass kicked by twins from hell this past Saturday. Both weighed in at 11 ounces. Coded #2 at delivery for 22 min with no heart rate. Finally got heart to respond. Exhausted Sunday. Never went. Worked at food bank today. Made another comment to a missionary there that my house was a "safe house" if any missionary ever wanted to leave. I will continue to do this until quieted by an unknown force....I am always willing to get in trouble. How has it been for you?


Gatorman

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Posted by: gatorman ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 04:13PM

I don't recall losing my testimony. But at age 70 I don't recall much and lose something every day.

Gatorman

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:08AM

I'm not an apostate.
I don't play their silly word games.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:36PM

Well said, Dave. I agree.

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Posted by: nutofgreatprice ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:30PM

ha ha that's why you're an apostate mate

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:14AM

In the famous words of Judic West, "I'm just here to get laid."

Just like Joseph Smith!

You know how it goes, right?

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Posted by: getbusylivin ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:30AM

Wait, did I miss something? Is there easy p---- around here? Usually I can find it on my own...

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:46AM

Tsk tsk. Nothing worth having is easy, unless you're short on time.

I believe, in my wallet of wallets, that Judic West was speaking metaphorically, and simply used a comic ploy to indicate that you should invest your free time in having and doing 'fun'.

This is why both sadists and masochists exist...

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Posted by: Felix ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:40AM

I now have a surer testimony that it was a lie than I did in it being true. All it required was a willingness to look at both sides of the coin.

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Posted by: nutofgreatprice ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:28PM

yep

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 11:42AM

What happened was I realized a "testimony" was nothing but feelings, and that facts and evidence contradicted "testimonies."
That's when I bailed.

What happened to you?

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Posted by: nutofgreatprice ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:24PM

i am from texas and i went on a mission and saw that the church is a utah country club, no more, no less.
it's a helluva thing to justify every decision you make as being the "word of the Lord"

there was an elder there "dating" a sister missionary. not only was the inspired mp clueless, he made the faithful servant an ap.

that was the beginning

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:43PM

Yeah, seeing their "inspiration" fizzle in the real world can sure get you thinking.
Like the time I weasled my way into the SLC temple without a recommend, to see my brother's wedding, after I was long gone from the church for months. No "inspiration" there. :)

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Posted by: Babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:12PM

We're like drug addicts who cleaned ourselves up. Some have sworn off drugs (dogma) for good. Others found another fix that's less unhealthy than Mormonism.

I cracked my Mormon blinders after I determined that none of Mormonism's promises and benefits were appealing to me. Then the journey down the rabbit hole began.

The brethren in SLC are just junkies.

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Posted by: nutofgreatprice ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:52PM

junkies, whores, and perverts

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:05PM

That's it? Name calling?

But then preaching isn't allowed here.

Maybe you could ask the bishop or SP to be made a ward or stake missionary? Get out there in the trenches and really make your mark!

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:33PM

Oops! I thought you were calling US the junkies, etc... My apologies, and welcome.

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Posted by: Jonny the Smoke ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:15PM

I didn't lose it.

A testimony is something that is described to you as a young, or new mormon so that you will recognize it so you can have one. You're told how valuable it is, including guarding it with your life if needed.

With that description, you begin to pick up your testimony and carry it around, always sharing it with your fellow mormons, seldom sharing with those outside the faith.

Eventually, or in some cases very suddenly, you realize this thing you have picked up and have been carrying around is worthless and is actually a stone hung about your neck.

So you take it off and put it down and walk away. That isn't losing anything.

I know right where mine is.....it's in Provo, in the duplex I lived in for the last two years at BYU. That's where I was when I put it down and walked away from it.

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Posted by: matt ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:37PM

I didn't lose my testimony. I just put it down and left it.

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Posted by: icanbemenow ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:37PM

I love this so much! I am going to use this analogy with my husband. Gold.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:07PM

I love that you said this. I am not trying to steal your excellent thunder but I used to say the same thing. "I didn't lose it. I know right where I left it." Mine slid off like an old rag of clothing onto the floor in about 2 seconds flat. And, this was also in an apartment while I was at BYU. 1973. High Five, Jonny the Smoke. You made my day.

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Posted by: Jonny the Smoke ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:25PM

Thanks, glad I could connect on some level :)

The idea of "losing" ones testimony reduces the situation to losing your car keys. It implies that the valiant, strong TBM took their eye's off their testimony, probably to look at porn or some other worldly thing, and while engaged in that sinful behavior, lost track of where they put their testimony .....like it wandered off because they weren't helicoptering around it keeping it safe at all times....and now they can't find it again. And they only way to find is to ask god to help.

The reality is that most people I am aware of that left the church, did so because they were steadfastly keeping their eyes on their testimony, trying to nourish and strengthen it (see what I did there)....and while doing so, they discovered its a worthless piece of curlom dung and should be discarded.

It's interesting though.....god seems pretty god at finding lost car keys when asked. Not so much when asked to find a lost testimony.....why? Because testimonies aren't lost, they are discarded....god must know this.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:39PM

I grew up and became an adult.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 12:40PM

I was born and raised in the church. My dad was BIC and my mom was a convert so I heard ALL the lessons from the stake mishies (I was 10 years old). It didn't interest me then and that has never changed. My mom dutifully read the BofM. I did not. I went through all the steps ups to and including being ordained an elder...to please my dear beloved parents. But I did not believe. I never had a testimony and actually found having to endure listening to other's bear theirs to one of the most profoundly uncomfortable things about Mormonism. I often wanted to yell out "really!!...you really think I needed to fuckin' hear that? I walked away from the church a month into being an elder, married a Catholic and raised my children without any religious training.

RB



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/22/2016 02:11PM by Lethbridge Reprobate.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:02PM

Well, I still believe the BoM is a marvelous work and a wonder. It's a marvelous hoax and I wonder why people still fall for it.

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Posted by: onthedownlow ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:50PM

I took the G.B. Hinckley challenge "greatest hoax or greatest work and fullness of truth".

My testimony is rock solid, it is the greatest hoax. BTW, the 3rd discussion, back in my mishie days says, apostacy is a falling away from the truth. My testimony is built on solid truthful facts. How can I be an apostate? Oxymoron or oxymormon?

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Posted by: justthefacts ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 01:58PM

I didn't loose a testimony, I found truth.
The truth displaced that thing they call testimony.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:01PM

nutofgreatprice Wrote:
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> What happened?

It is a long story.

> Did you "lose your testimony?"

If by a hope that Joseph's tall tales were true. Yes.

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Posted by: cognitivedissonance ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 02:53PM

I was told in Primary that "Thou Shalt Not kill". I also memorized the 13 Articles of Faith where we obey the laws of the land.

Then I read about Nephi killing Laban. At an early age, I realized, something is wrong here.

The shelf was created when I turned 12. I added "Line upon Line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little" until the the shelf crashed with a BANG!

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Posted by: gettinreal ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 03:13PM

A "testimony" based on lies isn't a "testimony"!
It's a regurgitation of what others expect to hear.

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Posted by: Trails end ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 03:22PM

Thought i read somewhere a couple months ago that the original meaning of apostate was escaped slave...seems like a useful description...go wild spend that ten percent on any dam thing you like...the fossils seem to enjoy it

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 03:41PM

Now I'm not approving or sanctioning... For me, ever after, the origin of 'apostate' will be escaped slave, but...


apostate (n.) mid-14c., "one who forsakes his religion or faith," from Old French apostate (Modern French apostat) and directly from Late Latin apostata, from Greek apostasia "defection, desertion, rebellion," from apostenai "to defect," literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" (see apo-) + stenai "to stand." Used in non-religious situations (politics, etc.) from mid-14c.


Nice try, Google, but I'm stickin' with TE~!

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Posted by: cognitivedissonance ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 04:38PM

Trails end Wrote:
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> go wild
> spend that ten percent on any dam thing you
> like...

I did, Bought a Chevy Volt. It's nice to think about my own wants and needs before the Church.

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Posted by: verilyverily ( )
Date: June 22, 2016 03:45PM

I did lose my testimony.... just sucks! It might be here with my missing cars keys. I will let you know.

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