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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 07:30PM

What happens to people who die before having had a chance to hear the gospel?

D&C 137:7-8 says they will go to the celestial kingdom.

BUT:

D&C 76:71-78 says they will go only to the terrestrial kingdom

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 07:44PM

Maybe it's like a game of Monopoly when you advance to the other side.

When you land in the Terrestrial Kingdom all it takes is a "Get out of Jail free card," and next thing you know you advance to Boardwalk, and voila! You are now King of Atlantic City aka Celestial Kingdom.

With some careful planning, it can happen until someone else comes along and steals your Boardwalk. Then back to Square One all over again.

The Book of Mormon a la Monopoly. Maybe Joseph was a visionary after all. Mormonism, like Monopoly, is like a game of chance, illusion and big racket w/winner takes all.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 08:02PM

Just goes to show how hard it is to keep a story straight when it's all made up.

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Posted by: Templar ( )
Date: August 24, 2016 02:08PM

^ Exactly!

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 08:43PM

Yeah, 'tis true, 'tis true, When it's as made up as The Three Little Pigs and Peter Pan, it is tres difficile to keep a cohesive, make-sense narrative of it all (or even half of it).

However, something screams out that ole sleazy Joey or Briggy didn't loose a ton of sleep worrying much about this as they were too busy thinking if they preferred a blonde or a redhead tomorrow night.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2016 08:44PM by presleynfactsrock.

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Posted by: cinda ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 09:12PM

They have all kinds of themed Monopoly games. Maybe they should come out with a Mormon version!! instead of houses and hotels, they could have stakes/temples! The "chance/community chest" cards could be interesting, especially if they took suggestions from this board ;) They would be hilarious!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2016 09:12PM by cinda.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 09:21PM

I think Mormon-opoly has been around for awhile.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/32759/mormon-opoly


I knew a kid that could only play that perverted version and had never played real Monopoly.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 09:39PM

My mom gave my children Saltlakeopoly one Christmas.

I still have it, long after my kids have moved away. :)

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Posted by: fudley ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 09:14PM

"D&C 137:7-8 says they will go to the celestial kingdom".
I love this as it changes the entire missionary program into an adversarial endeavor.

Let us teach them about the gospel so their get-out-of-jail-free card doesn't work anymore!

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 09:14PM

FAIR will know. They know everything.


And the church can disavow anything FAIR says if it wants to.

It's a perfect system.

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Posted by: Trails end ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 11:21PM

Like everything in tscc your last name and geneology means everything...strings were made to be pulled...allowances for the privileged...dont expect special treatment if your just a hob...joe really wasnt that great at lying either....had trouble keeping things straight....plygmy good....no plygmy bad...jesus is gawd...no adam is gawd...well geez joey put new batteries in the irock and get it figgered already

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Posted by: Trails end ( )
Date: August 21, 2016 11:23PM

Hence the bs about all those vision atories...yeah joey evolved alright...everytime he saw how big a frog the folks swallowed last time...zelph...aw come on...

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Posted by: Anonymous 2 ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 12:12AM

oh what fun! Circular morg logic!!! The only logic being the logic doesn't make sense!!! Or from old school "Doctor Who" "recursive occlusion"!!

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Posted by: Zeezromp ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 02:57PM

"What happens to people who die before having had a chance to hear the gospel?"


Well if it's Joseph Smith's brother Alvin, then it's automatic entry to Celestial Glory as that's why Smith wrote D&C 137. He must have been answering those members who enquired of Joseph Smith's oldest brother Alvin dying before Smith got his religion going. Apparently Alvin would have received it all had he not died so young (age 25).

D&C 137:7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 03:08PM

Zeezromp Wrote:
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> D&C 137:7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me,
> saying: All who have died without a knowledge of
> this gospel, WHO WOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT IF they
> had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the
> celestial kingdom of God; (emphasis added)

so whether or not someone WOULD have done something is already
decided before they do it. So much for "agency."

There was a young man who said "Damn!
I perceive with regret that I am
But a creature that moves
In predestinate grooves
I'm not even a bus, I'm a tram."

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Posted by: Zeezromp ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 03:12PM

What about this one?


Moroni 8:18
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.


King Follet Discourse 7th April 1844

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 06:34PM

Zeezromp Wrote:
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> Moroni 8:18
> 18 For I know that God is not a partial God,
> neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable
> from all eternity to all eternity.

See also: D&C 20:17

"...there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God..."

And Morm 9:9

"...God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2016 06:43PM by RPackham.

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: August 24, 2016 02:53PM

IF the D&C verses are right, the mormon church has some explaining to do.

Let's start with the Adam God business that Briggy was so fond of.

Also, what has happened to Prophet, Seer, and Revelator? There has never been one in my lifetime despite the fact that the mormon church claims to have anywhere from one to 15 of them.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 06:40PM

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."

I think a case could be made that JS was starting either go off the deep end or upping the ante in his con/delusion, because he'd had so many people buy into it already: if God was once a man, then Joseph Smith, as leader of the "saints", was nearly there, and you'd better start treating him like a god.

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Posted by: kolobian ( )
Date: August 22, 2016 07:18PM

You should bring this up on the mormon chat and then return & report. :)

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