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Posted by: anonski21 ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:03PM

"For those of you who go inactive or leave the church. Where will you go? What will you do?"

What a complete piece of shit.

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Posted by: StandingMan ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:05PM

Lolololol I am at my in-laws house who are active and I overheard that part. I laughed

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:07PM

Wow. He actually said that? What an incredibly narrow view of the world he must have.

There are many places to go and endless things to do. He should realize this since people are not coming back.

Sheesh!

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Posted by: Boggles ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:07PM

I'll start: What will I do? I'll rejoice in the fact that I don't have to live the lie that is everything about TSCC. Ballard is a total dbag!

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Posted by: closer2fine ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:10PM

For starters......I'll go shopping at Target on Sunday!

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Posted by: getbusylivin ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:15PM

Maybe I'll see you at Target. But first I have to stop by Starbucks and pick up a double mocha with an extra shot.

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Posted by: amazed1 ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:19PM

That sounds like a great and meaningful life.....Going to starbucks and Target. Those of us who can't live the commandments (let's face it--we can't) better come up with better alternatives for what the saints offer. (they offer meaningful service to the poor, a worldwide humanitarian program, a way to take care of homeless, and even eternal life (they say). Its all a lie - but wow what a good one.) Can we come up with something of more substance than our selfishness?...can't we?, -like Ghandi-offer something to build the world.
Is there a more meaningful ex-mormon forum out there???

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Posted by: thatsnotmyname ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 07:53PM

In response can I just say :
1) percentage wise the church gives less to charity and humanitarian aid than the average American, so by leaving the church and not paying tithing you're actually increasing the chance of your extra money going to charity and I bet most here do give.

2) having more free time to explore yourself and the world (even when that includes enjoying coffee and going to target) is a HUGE offer

3)learning to think critically and not be trapped by all the lies about reality that lds sells you means you're more likely to contribute to the progression of society rather than send it backwards by being afraid of change, information, science etc etc.

I think those are some pretty enticing alternatives to what tscc is selling.

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Posted by: peculiargifts ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:11PM

If you actually read this forum for very long, you'd be aware of a few things:

People often make jokes in their posts. Learning to be aware of when posters are being facetious would help your understanding of the forum considerably.

People here regularly show a deep caring for others, both on this forum and outside of it. And many do a great deal to put their caring into positive action.

And in between the joshing, there are some very serious posts here.

What Ballard said was both ludicrous and vile. Trying to frighten people into imagining that there is no good life outside the Mormon Church. It is such a despicable thing to do, that even if I hadn't already done so, I'd lose all respect for the man on that basis alone.

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Posted by: Sperco ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:57PM

Who are you to determine what brings meaning to my life? The joy of leaving is that I get to determine that. Not you, nor the church gets to make that call.

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Posted by: annieg ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:26PM

Then Costco.

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Posted by: K2 ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:14PM

Ballard has a grannddaughter who resigned?

Although I stopped going totally, I like to read the New Testament to compare NT Christianity to Mormonism.
Lots of problems for the Mormons.

Where will you go if you leave and want to be Christian at least intellectually? Start with the New Testament.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:21PM

That works for a while- until you use the same detective skills you used on Mormonism on other religions.

The next stop after an intense study of the Bible was world mythology for me.

I guess it all depends on how far you want to take the train before you decide to get off.

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Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:10PM

Again, you are assuming that it is necessary to be a literalist. Lots of Christians are not. Your scenario does not work for non literalists.

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:14PM

What a bubble he lives in.
Where will people go? There are so many choices with freedom

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Posted by: severedpuppetstrings ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:20PM

"What will I do?"

Start living for myself (and not for some church that is full of lies). Start thinking for myself. Not have my worth determined by whether or not I am married or have kids.


The GA's need to take a chill pill:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/1241986929437316906_469719740



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2016 01:20PM by severedpuppetstrings.

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Posted by: saucie ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:28PM

What he means is what will we think without the church telling us what to think and what to do and what to say and what to read and what to wear and what underwear to have on what we can do or not do while having sex and on and on ad nasueam.

As if our minds don't operate independantly of the pile of garbage Moron church.

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Posted by: Elders Quorum Drop-out ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:31PM

"Where will you go?"

A beaten-down slave doesn't care where he/she goes, just as long as it's far away from their cage, the abuser and the abuse. Freedom doesn't need a destination.

What a stupid question.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:34PM

Bingo! Well said.

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:02PM

Harriet Jacobs mentions in her writings that the venomous snakes in the swamp seemed less terrifying than the masters and slaveowners in the south. I think we can apply the same outlook on the leaders of the cult.

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Posted by: Cold-Dodger ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:37PM

I will find others in the same boat. We will flip you guys off. Then, we will figure out the answer to that question rather than let your manipulation scare us into thinking that you are as good as life gets.

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Posted by: BYU Boner ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:38PM

I'm GOING to a bar to GET drunk. Then I'm GOING to a shooting gallery to GET addicted to heroin. Then I'm GOING to rob a bank to GET money. Then I'm GETTING caught and GOING to prison. Isn't this what he's implying is going to happen?

The sad part of this is, Mormons believe this shit. The Gone Boy Boner.

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Posted by: jaded ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:42PM

Where will I go:. To Starbucks.

What will I do:. Get a venti pumpkin spice latte with an extra shot of espresso.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2016 01:43PM by jaded.

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Posted by: sharapata ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:56PM

What will I do? Well...for starters I will save my 10 percent of my gross income for my own retirement rather than support entitled Ballard, who has lived high off the Church hog for many decades now.

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Posted by: jeffbagley ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:11PM

"Where will you go?" "What will you do?
"The Restoration is not a dinner party."

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Posted by: 64monkey ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:13PM

What a sad testament to the way Mormons think of life.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:15PM

I will go to In'N'Out Burger!

I will order a Double Double with grilled onions.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:24PM

Again, he's not talking to us. He's talking to the active
membership. He's scaring them. Trying to make them think that
without the Church they'd be helplessly adrift--that they'd
have nothing.

He's the abusive husband telling his wife that if she leaves him
she'll be living in a dive and flipping burgers.

He's Christo at the end of "The Truman Show" telling Truman
that he won't survive in the outside world.

He's every con man panting a fancy word-picture about how
you'll regret not falling for his con.

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Posted by: Elders Quorum Drop-out ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:26PM

"He's Christo at the end of 'The Truman Show' telling Truman
that he won't survive in the outside world."

YES.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:27PM

Xactly.

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Posted by: Bamboozled ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:29PM

Perfect summation!

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Posted by: mug head ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:57PM

:) And we are rooting for Truman to choose freedom over familiar abuse.

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Posted by: may log in later 2day ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:30PM

From Ballard's Oct. 2014 "Old Ship Zion" address, quoting of all people himself:

"On another occasion this year, I spoke to the young adults of the Church in the May CES devotional broadcast. I said:

'I have heard that some people think the Church leaders live in a "bubble." What they forget is that we are men and women of experience, and we have lived our lives in so many places and worked with many people from different backgrounds… When you thoughtfully consider our lives and ministry, you will most likely agree that we see and experience the world in ways few others do. You will realize that we live less in a "bubble" than most people… We have experienced it all, including the consequences of different public laws and policies, disappointments, tragedies, and deaths in our own families. We are not out of touch with your lives.'"


Ballard is talking like a Ford Edsel salesman, which is what he used to be. Mormonism, the Edsel of religions.

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Posted by: may log in later 2day ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:44PM

And to answer Ballard's asinine question to "those of you who go inactive or leave the church" -

Why don't you ask us yourself, Russ? There are 10 million of us, or two for every one of you who haven't (yet). We're not hard to find. F-ing coward.

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Posted by: StillAnon ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:29PM

"Mormonism, the Edsel of religions."

Misnomer, but I get what you're trying to relay. Actually, the Edsel failed because it was loaded with futuristic options (power everything) that Americans weren't ready for. Most of those features are now standard in today's cars.
The mormon church was never ahead of times. They've always been 50 years behind the current year at the time.
The Edsel was a failure because it was too progressive. The mormon church is a failure because it has no relation to reality.Even with a prophet that gets his info from god.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:05PM

StillAnon Wrote:
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> The Edsel was a failure because it was too
> progressive.

That and the fact that it looked like a Oldsmobile sucking a lemon.

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Posted by: anonuk ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:05PM

i'd wager they have never experienced bankruptcy & homelessness nor lived through a severe drought or flood in an undeveloped country. Neither did they experience growing up in poverty - they have in no way, shape or form experienced even a small percentage of the trials and ordeals of ordinary life that the general membership worldwide has experienced.

It is a bit pompous to tell people that they have experienced more than they did, in fact I believe it could be considered fraudulent.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:07PM

Actually, the Edsel was nice car. People just didn't want it.

Mormonism isn't a nice car, but they have better marketing.

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Posted by: elfling_notloggedin ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:35PM

In my case I went all over the world. I learned to surf, got 2 blackbelts in Karate and a brownbelt in Small-circle Ju Jitsu, bought an amazing house, built a 'stealth RV' complete with Solar power and went to grad school at an Ivy League University (fully paid for). I will be Defending my Ph.D. Dissertation this week. So this time next week, I will be Dr. Elfling - though still not logged in.

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Posted by: June ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 02:54PM

Wherever I want and I can change my mind as many times as I want. That, to me, is a beautiful thing.

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Posted by: seekyr ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:20PM

That, right there!

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:02PM

I think that he's been watching too much "Cool Hand Luke".

There's a scene near the very end of the film where Luke has escaped with Dragline, but Luke has decided to go alone.

Dragline asks "Where will you go? What will you do?"


I won't attempt to speak for all that have left, but I think that most of us are darn happy and doing okay!

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:12PM

"For those of you who go inactive or leave the church. Where will you go?"

Uhhhh.....Disney World? :-)

You go and do what the other 99.9% of people in the world who aren't Mormons go and do.

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Posted by: scaredhusband ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:21PM

Sounds like a advertising question that you hear after the superbowl.

"I'm gonna take me and my family and we are going to Disney World!"

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Posted by: Elders Quorum Drop-out ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:21PM

The rest of his talk was repulsive, out of touch and insulting.

"Today is no different. For some, Christ’s invitation to believe and remain continues to be hard—or difficult to accept. Some disciples struggle to understand a specific Church policy or teaching. Others find concerns in our history or in the imperfections of some members and leaders, past and present. Still others find it difficult to live a religion that requires so much. Finally, some have become 'weary in well-doing'."

Once again, not even touching on the actual issues why we leave, and making it seem like we didn't have a desire to do good and just wanted to be lazy. What a fuckstick.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 03:28PM

"Some disciples struggle to understand a specific Church policy or teaching. Others find concerns in our history or in the imperfections of some members and leaders, past and present."

Indeed----"concerns" such as the fact that the church's story of its founding is completely false, and "imperfections" such as the fact that the church's founder was a criminal and an adulterer.

Yep, except for those little flecks of history, the church is great!



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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 04:18PM

says it all in my book when one of the cult's so-called-elite, stoops to belittling, insinuations, name calling and good ole lying abiyt those who dare (in Ballard's eyes) defy the Big Old Parents and skip ship.

But this is what a bully does, isn't it?

When I was first asking myself why I had fallen for such behavior, you know this bullying, the lying, the Big Brother Routine, it didn't take me long to realize that it was partly due to the fact that this is how I had been treated in my youth at home. I just fit right in to the abuse that was dished out by the cult.

I had had enuf and discovered the joy of facts, science, freedom and truth being strong, firm anchors to guide my life.

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Posted by: Margie ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 04:38PM

"I Got Nowhere Else to Go!"

From "An Officer and a Gentleman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g2JN2PrHJg

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Posted by: cinda ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 04:45PM

may log in later 2day said:

"Ballard is talking like a Ford Edsel salesman, which is what he used to be. Mormonism, the Edsel of religions."

Perfect!

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Posted by: jigglypuff ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 04:45PM

My mom told me that my children would be hoodlums if they didn't have the church. My kids were great teenagers and they are currently going to college and working. My church raised siblings all had issues-gee isn't that interesting...

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 04:47PM

anonski21 Wrote:
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> "For those of you who go inactive or leave the
> church. Where will you go? What will you do?"
>
> What a complete piece of shit.


uhhhhhhhhhhhh have a life that is not centered on the ultra boring way too expensive and consuming MORmON cult religion, you know
-one worth living.

I quit attending 20 years ago. I finally divorced myself from all belief 18 years ago. my ONLY regret is that I did not do it sooner, much MUCH sooner.

but what Ballard says scares the Hell out of my MORmONISM addicted TBM family members. They do not know how to have a relationship outside of the filthy damn MORmON cult. but really, they just do not know how to have a relationship at all, which is why they so desperately cling to their MORmON social club network.

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Posted by: getbusylivin ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:02PM

Ballard's not the only one, but I think maybe of all of them he's the lead drama queen.

When I hear him speak or read what he's said, I expect to hear a plaintive violin playing softly in the background, or maybe a tired harmonica.

It would be mere amusing melodrama were it not the reinforcement for so much unnecessary strife and bigotry within so many Mormon families.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:07PM

I'm gonna have a beer or 3, and watch some porn, and have coffee with my friends, and do fuckall on a Sunday, or go to a trap club and shoot clay targets on a Sunday (I luuuuuve doing that). Bednar is such a fucking self important, self righteous POS asshole!

RB

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:12PM

Reminds me of that very old TV commercial with Karl Malden at the airport. He looks at the camera and says, "you've lost your wallet at the airport. What will you do?"

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Posted by: madalice ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 05:15PM

Unlike him, i've never been dependent on the mormon church for my income, social life, entertainment, spiritual life, or a place to do service.

Even as a mormon I found other places that served me and my family better than the mormon church ever could or would.

Where will we go? He's kidding right? How often have we had threads talking about what were doing this Sunday? Just about every single week. We have a list a mile long that's full of better places to go and things to do than the mormon church.

At the very least, Ballard needs to GO online. It's there he will find the answer to his question. His job as a helper running the mormon show is looking a bit gloomy these days, and I don't think there are any head hunters out there looking for Apostles.



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Posted by: Babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 06:45PM

I'd love to see a video montage of these kinds of statements.

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Posted by: overit ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 06:46PM

As Tommy is wont to quote
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Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."

Where I will go is a mystery, an untravelled path. I am going to enjoy the exploration of this beautiful life

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Posted by: desertman ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 07:00PM

"For those of you who go inactive or leave the church. Where will you go? What will you do?"

Fishing on Sunday

Billiard tournament on Monday

Wilderness hike on Saturday.

Just to name a few!!

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Posted by: maizyday2 ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:22PM

Revel in a glass of fine wine?

Be astounded by a nature on your Sunday morning hike?

Enjoy the mild buzz when you drink a glass or 2 of nice craft beer.

Have stimulating, intelligent discussions about anything and everything?

Do as you please with your money?

Not jump through hoops to try to reconcile yourself to beliefs that make absolutely no sense?

Enjoy a healthy, adult sexual relationship with your significant other, married or not?



* THe list is endless *

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Posted by: axeldc ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 07:23PM

15 million nominal Mormons. About 6 million active Mormons. Half of them in the US. There are 330 million Americans, so Mormons are less than 1%. If you go East or to Canada or Europe, Mormons are as common as unicorns. Where will you go? Almost anywhere else but Utah.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 07:50PM

I take threats personally.

RB

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Posted by: beyondashadow ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:00PM

For starters, I will un-stunt my growth as a human being, and that includes mental, emotional, spiritual, creativity potential, etc.

You don't have to join the Army to BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE.

All you have to do is LEAVE THE MIND CONTROL CULT in the rear view mirror.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:02PM

Ballard hasn't come to terms with his denial yet.

:/

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:16PM

This is a classic sign of a cult - "What will happen to me if I leave?" Ballard is an ass for emphasizing this cult characteristic. To instill fear is abominable. Life is so much better after Mormonism. Hopefully more folks will find us as a result of his talk.

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Posted by: Justin ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:29PM

I go to mass every Sunday. I get more out of 45 minutes of mass than three hours of Mormonism.

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Posted by: exmorphmon ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:52PM

Ouch! The great "I-am-not-a-Dodo" speaks again, and shoots another claw off. What inanity! How out of touch! That man is fossilized!! He adds a new definition to the term "being stoned."

You don't need an organization to define a self. Especially one that wants you to lose yourself in it.

There is so much more in the world and universe to do and see than an organization disguised as a church created by a con man.

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Posted by: raiku ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 08:57PM

He's really saying where will I go, what will I do if everyone resigns?

The answer is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5ICXMC4xY

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Posted by: K2 ( )
Date: October 02, 2016 01:34PM

Agreed.

I came to my fundmental that the Greeks likely discovered:

The Cult of Self.

The Individual's Right of Self-Determination.

For myself, culturally, I live troubled times for the Greco-Roman Judeo-Christian era. The Cult of Self is fading.

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