I am a pasty white Caucasian with blue eyes. One of my Jewish ancestors was an associate of Joseph Smith Jr in Nauvoo. At that time, he recorded in his personal notes that Joseph told him ...God himself has blue eyes...

Anyway, I married a Filipina almost 39 years ago. Anyone who says interracial/intercultural marriage won't work is apparently wrong. My Milkezdick Priesthood holder uncle told me long before we got married that God wants us to marry our own race. But I didn't listen.

I have no regrets whatsoever and I now have developed a strong feeling of kinship with anyone Asian. Should our grandchildren be brown-eyed and brown-skinned, the happier I'll become. So there, God with blue eyes. Have a nice day.

Ah, but the One True (TM) Asians are Vietnamese. ;-)

That's what God told me anyway, so I married one.

God told me to marry a beautiful Indonesian woman! ;)
She's awesome! Today's our anniversary, actually.

Selamat Hari jadi!

(Indonesian and Tagalog are actually very similar languages...)

Yeah, my best friend growing up is from Manila, and my MIL is from the northern most islands in Indonesia...they can pretty much speak to each other, him in Tagalog and her in her native dialect! Indonesia has a bunch of languages and dialects though. She and my FIL grew up on different islands, and don't speak each other's languages, so they speak Bahasa Indonesia at home, which is what my wife grew up speaking.

That's when I found out about the "scripture."

I love my Filipina wife! Take happiness where you find it. And say mahal kita, I love you.

Growing up we had lots of mixed marriages. Probably because many were war brides.

Lots of white guys married Asians. Some married hispanics. Some of us married "Lamanites"

The only "forbidden fruit" was blacks.

On the other hand if a white female married anyone non white all hell broke loose.

Where's my javelin!

---- B. Young

My filipina wife and I got married in the Philippines, almost no family could make it. That was OK with me.
My mom asked me to bring her to Utah to meet the family afterwards, though...so warily we drove from CA to Zion so the family could meet the love of my life.

Most were fine, though a bit wary (even though she spoke nearly perfect English, many would still speak louder and slower than usual, assuming she didn't understand what they were saying. As if that would help...).
I did, though, have two family members ask me why I didn't marry "one of your own kind."

I told them I did. I married a human being.

I think they missed the sarcasm. :(

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
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> I did, though, have two family members ask me why
> I didn't marry "one of your own kind."
>
> I told them I did. I married a human being.


Oh for pete's sake. There isn't even a gene for race. There's only different skin, hair, eyes colours, etc. Race is a human invention.

"When it comes to 'race', there was a vote and the *eyes* have it."
--Judic West, Ace Anthropologist to the Stars

Exactly, Greyfort, race is a human cultural construct.

Nevermo question: I'm going to be a grandad soon, as my son and his wonderful Peruvian wife are expecting (due in November).

For Mos, will my grandson be a Lamanite? Is she one too?

Tom in Paris

My ancestors are almost entirely Scottish and Irish. I love my Celtic background but it's hard not to admit to a certain "lack of diversity" in my family and upbringing.

Big turn around in my and my children's generations though! It started with my brother marrying a Ukranian girl - which in 1972 was a big deal in my family. Then I married my husband, who is 1/2 Chinese. My other brother married a Filipina girl. My stepdaughter and her then husband adopted a baby boy whose birth parents were from Sierra Leone in Africa, and our other daughter's husband is 1/2 Costa Rican.

Can't wait to see what happens in the next generation!

I think Brigham Young pretty much set the tone that is forever part of the eternal doctrines of the church.

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110)

So what are we to make of what Brigham Young has taught?

"I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom . . . I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 95).

So basically you either need to accept what Brigham has taught as being the unchanging voice of God or you really aren't a strong believing Mormon. Now of course its true that starting in 1978 that an official declaration was made that now allows dark skinned people to hold the Priesthood. So some people now think that the doctrine that dark skinned people are inferior has changed. Well go read the "most correct book on earth" carefully to set your view on what the doctrine is clearly.

Well don't blame me or get on my case about this. I'm just telling you what the doctrine is and what it will always have to be unless the church evolves into a doctrine that God is a fickle ever-changing psycho diety. And I bear solemn testimony that just as true as the Kinderhook Plates are genuinely true as Joseph Smith claimed that the gospel brought to us by Joseph Smith is the same in truthfulness. Oh how it will bring tears to my eyes and feel my heart with joy when the Primary children shall zealously sing: "Book of Kinderhook Stories that my teacher tells to me. All about that descendant of Ham in ancient history. Long ago ...." And how great it shall be that whenever anyone talks bout Mormonism that these historical quotes of the renowned Brigham Young will be what first comes up so the accurate context of where Mormonism stands in human society can be settled clearly without misrepresentations.


Ooops correction above. I wrote "dark skinned people" but meant to write "dark skinned men". Sorry girls but the sisters still have to sit at the back of the bus in Mormonism. That's part of why the church/BYU are going to face all sorts of scrutiny in the future

I stood in line at the bank today behind one of a set of twins that went to school with my daughter; they describe themselves as Japanese/Filipino/White/Mexican.

They don'look anything like each other, but they are both BEAUTIFUL!

And smart, and nice, and talented, and college graduates, and going places.

My wife is a Latina; I'm your basic Anglo-Saxon gringo.

Our marriage is spectacular. She thinks I'm the miraculous blessing--she's got it backwards.

Do any of you guys with Filapino wives tried that rotten egg dish with a dead baby chicken inside of it? I love asking that question. My husband, who retired from the Air Force has a couple of friends who are married to Filapinos. It suppose to be a delicacy.
Why do people talk to foreigners very loudly, on the top of their lungs anyway ? They're not deaf . I could never understand that one.

Hockey Rat Wrote:
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> Do any of you guys with Filapino wives tried that
> rotten egg dish with a dead baby chicken inside
> of it? I love asking that question. My husband,
> who retired from the Air Force has a couple of
> friends who are married to Filapinos. It suppose
> to be a delicacy.

Balut?

I've tried it. Not a fan. Then again, neither is my wife :)
Oh, and it's Filipinas (if they're women)...

> Why do people talk to foreigners very loudly, on
> the top of their lungs anyway ? They're not deaf .
> I could never understand that one.

Me either. But so many do it...

It is called Balut. It is not rotten, and has all the same ingredients of a regular duck egg. It is a hard boiled duck embryo. It is said that if you eat a Balut and drink a San Miguel, you will last all night long. Better than viagra and tastes great.

Perhaps your husband should try one, Hocky Rat.

How did the kids turn out? are they white or Filipino? what do they list as their race on government forms. Did the kids bully them growing up?

I'm assuming they are conflicted. but wonderful that OP is so pleased with himself :)

or is this post racist as hell? My two half Chinese sons are not conflicted. They were not bullied. Oldest married a cute blonde and had an auburn-haired blue eyed daughter. Youngest married a cute Chinese girl. So my bloodline will plow back into the Caucasia and God willing when the time comes deeper into Asia. I, like the OP, could not be more pleased with myself.

I vote for racist as hell .


I'm astounded at the ignorance I witness here in terms of

racial attitudes. I'm sure the people here who espouse

those ideas aren't even aware how racist they sound.

I'm amazed that only one person mentioned the double standard of white men being allowed to marry outside of their race while it is frowned on so much for white women.

One person mentioned it and NOBODY commented on it.

I was very serious about two mormon girls from old time families; the families were nice to my face but obviously did not want the daughters 'involved' with me. One mother told her daughter, "Look at how he's getting browner! If he were righteous we know he'd be getting lighter. Says so in the BofM!"

I married a Texas blonde at the Y, who was a convert. Her born and bred in Texas parents treated me nicely, but then they were baptist.

The missing context is that I'm very Indian looking for a Mexican, and very dark. So...almost human!

I'm a white girl married to a Japanese man and living in Tokyo. The other day we were walking and holding hands --coincidentally near the LDS temple-- and we passed 4 white Mormon young men looking smug. They first glanced at us, then made eye contact with me and sneered a bit. I don't know why, but I wondered what they thought of me choosing an Asian man over "them."

And yes, I have gotten comments from fellow white men that it's a shame that I'm "mixing blood" or will only be able to give birth to a "mixed breed." I'm not sure if white men who marry outside their race face this issue to the same degree.

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> How did the kids turn out?

My three kids turned out great. All kind, honest, smart, and good-looking (if I do say so myself).

> are they white or
> Filipino?

They're human beings.

> what do they list as their race on
> government forms.

Whatever they want to. Usually "other." Sometimes they put Asian/Filipino, sometimes "caucasian." Up to them. I don't care.

> Did the kids bully them growing
> up?

Nope. Not ever.

> I'm assuming they are conflicted. but wonderful
> that OP is so pleased with himself :)

What a ridiculous assumption. What's to be "conflicted" about? They have parents who love and support them, they're great kids, they have lots of friends. Nobody *cares* what color their parents' skins are. And neither do they.

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
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> poopstone Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How did the kids turn out?
>
> My three kids turned out great. All kind, honest,
> smart, and good-looking (if I do say so myself).
>
> > are they white or
> > Filipino?
>
> They're human beings.
>
> > what do they list as their race on
> > government forms.
>
> Whatever they want to. Usually "other."
> Sometimes they put Asian/Filipino, sometimes
> "caucasian." Up to them. I don't care.
>
> > Did the kids bully them growing
> > up?
>
> Nope. Not ever.
>
> > I'm assuming they are conflicted. but wonderful
> > that OP is so pleased with himself :)
>
> What a ridiculous assumption. What's to be
> "conflicted" about? They have parents who love
> and support them, they're great kids, they have
> lots of friends. Nobody *cares* what color their
> parents' skins are. And neither do they.

Thank you Hie....

I think poopstone needs to get out more...:)

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
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> I think poopstone needs to get out more...:)


Or pick up a book now and then.

Just when you think he can't post anything more stupid or be more willfully ignorant, he proves to us we're underestimating him...

Yes Itz... he never ceases to amaze me with his ignorant racism.

Is it a pattern? I thought he must be joking!

No, not joking. This is par for the course for this poster :(

Q- "Are they blue eyed or brown eyed?"

A- "They are human beings"

Q- "Male or Female"?

A- "They are human beings"

Q- "Blonde, Brunette or black hair?"

A- "They are human beings"

Q- "Tall or short?"

A- "They are human beings"

This is about how I see your answer to a question about skin color.

Put out an APB for a suspect, description "HUMAN BEING".

Then I suggest you learn how to read.

Thanks for this bit of sense in the face of nonsense, IfIcouldhietoKolob.

I'm REALLY looking forward to meeting you next year. We're going to have a lot to talk about... :-)

Tom in Paris

Same here, Tom!
We're aiming for April ("spring break" for my wife's job at the school district). I'll let you know when it's firmed up!

I should add to this that my Filipina wife also had some resistance from her family about marrying a "white guy," with some suggesting she should find herself a nice Filipino guy to marry. So it's not just "whites" or mormons with this attitude.

We have some Filipino friends her in SoCal with a 24-year old unmarried daughter. She started dating a very nice, intelligent, handsome young man -- who's Vietnamese. Her parents aren't making much of an effort to hide their displeasure, even though they like the kid. Partly because he's not Filipino...but mostly because he's not (gasp!) Roman Catholic. :)

The kid's almost a doctor, for crying out loud. He's a great "catch." I've been trying to talk some sense into them, using my wife and I as an example...

No one dared bully our children or they would find themselves knocked cold out. Our kids were in an all white school too. One time a kid said to my son, "...you're *brown*..."

My son just replied, "...you're paleface..." and then went on his way.

poopstone Wrote:
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> How did the kids turn out? are they white or
> Filipino? what do they list as their race on
> government forms. Did the kids bully them growing
> up?
>
> I'm assuming they are conflicted. but wonderful
> that OP is so pleased with himself :)

This is how they will turn out. Race as you have known it will no longer exist. Self-identification has replaced external classification.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/10/changing-faces/schoeller-photography

Geez. What year is it where you live? That's about the most moronic thing I've heard in years, Poop.

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> Did the kids bully them growing
> up?

Honestly, the only kids that have ever seem to zero in on my girls are TBMs. My girls are attractive, have beautiful smiles, and are nice. Naturally the wannabe mishies think they are good prospects. I can't tell you how many times kids at their school want to show them "a cool book." Sorry, the BOM is not cool.

> I'm assuming they are conflicted.

With what?

Wow. Very disgusting and ignorant. Not surprised from this poster though.

Every time I tell my dad I'm dating someone, the first words out of his mouth are, "Oh yeah? White guy?"

It is SO much fun so pretend to innocently ask, "No, why do you ask?" I haven't dated a white guy in years. There's so many other colors, why limit myself? I like 'em all. ;>)

Have I told you lately that I love you dogzilla??????

I have it on excellent authority that you are involved in an inter-gender relationship! ¡Que kinky!



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OMG...I have blue eyes, and I am the same as God. I am so special.

I have blue eyes...so I must look like GAWD too, right???....does he like to cuss and drink beer too...like me?

RB

I'll say this again. The nephite ladies like the lamanites meat sticks.

I'll second that!

Married a Mexican. My friends from Michigan stake married a Chinese man, another Mexican man and a black man.

Now, mine turned out to be gay, but still. Never even occurred to me to not like him cause he was brown.

Now my son, he is adopted and we didn't care what he was.

But he is 5/8 Puerto Rican, 1/8 Mexican, and 1/4 white.

He was teased a few times, but he came through living in Utah county ok. He happens to be gorgeous so ladies young and old think he is beautiful and go gaga over him and have since he was a babe.

Doubt I'll ever get married again, but I'm open to anything:)

My wife is an American-born Cuban. Both of her parents immigrated to the U.S. prior to the age of two.

My wife and I have two babies, the oldest of whom will turn two in less than a month. The younger baby turned one in July.

Just to ease your mind, Poopstone, I admit to being as biased in favor of my children as any parent, but both of my babies are cute and are geniuses. Both sets of grandparents tell us privately that our kids are more beautiful than they ever imagined any grandchildren they ever had could be, ethnicity notwithstanding. Some of this is complete bullshit; people always compliment your children when they don't necessarily believe every word of what they're saying. Still, all evidence points to the mixed ethnicity being a positive rather than a negative in the make-up of my offspring. Language may become an issue eventually. I, the northern European parent, speak fluent Spanish and would like for the children to speak it as well. Their Cuban mother knows only a few Spanish expressions and a few Spanish curse words. I did teach her Spanish lullabies so she could sing the babies to sleep in Spanish.

My son has bright blue eyes, so he apparently looks like Gawd. My little girl has greenish eyes. God only knows what deity or anti-deity she resembles.

I don't anticipate that anyone will bully my children based on their mixed ethnicity who would not have found some other reason to bully them. Poopstone, you need to join the 21st century.

Darksparks Wrote:
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> My Milkezdick
> Priesthood holder uncle told me long before we got
> married that God wants us to marry our own race.
> But I didn't listen.
>
> I have no regrets whatsoever and I now have
> developed a strong feeling of kinship with anyone
> Asian. Should our grandchildren be brown-eyed and
> brown-skinned, the happier I'll become. So there,
> God with blue eyes. Have a nice day.

I am stunned anyone can think that everybody should "marry their own race". There are so many mixed-race people in the world. If they all had to limit themselves to someone who is also 3/8 black, 2/8 Italian, 2/8 Japanese and 1/8 Lebanese, Brazil would die out pretty soon!

Even many "ethnicities" seem like a mix to me: living in Morocco, most Arabs look like Mediterranean Europeans to me. If you line up ten Spanish and ten Moroccan boys, the best way to tell them apart is to see who's circumcised. And on the road from India to China you find some in-between colours too. So, I'd love to ask your uncle if a Vietnamese boy can marry a Burmese girl but not a Thai one, or the other way around? Surely Sri Lankan is out of the question? And would Cyprus and Lithuania be acceptable?

Visitors Welcome Wrote:
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> Darksparks Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My Milkezdick
> > Priesthood holder uncle told me long before we
> got
> > married that God wants us to marry our own race.
>
> > But I didn't listen.
> >
> > I have no regrets whatsoever and I now have
> > developed a strong feeling of kinship with
> anyone
> > Asian. Should our grandchildren be brown-eyed
> and
> > brown-skinned, the happier I'll become. So
> there,
> > God with blue eyes. Have a nice day.
>
> I am stunned anyone can think that everybody
> should "marry their own race". There are so many
> mixed-race people in the world. If they all had to
> limit themselves to someone who is also 3/8 black,
> 2/8 Italian, 2/8 Japanese and 1/8 Lebanese, Brazil
> would die out pretty soon!
>
> Even many "ethnicities" seem like a mix to me:
> living in Morocco, most Arabs look like
> Mediterranean Europeans to me. If you line up ten
> Spanish and ten Moroccan boys, the best way to
> tell them apart is to see who's circumcised. And
> on the road from India to China you find some
> in-between colours too. So, I'd love to ask your
> uncle if a Vietnamese boy can marry a Burmese girl
> but not a Thai one, or the other way around?
> Surely Sri Lankan is out of the question? And
> would Cyprus and Lithuania be acceptable?


Hawaii would be in not much better shape than Brazil according to the crazy uncle's theory. I lived there when I was little, and remember having a babysitter from the ward of which my dad was bishop. Older sibs usually handled routine babysitting chores and we had a student nanny as well, but for some reason all the older kids and the nanny plus mom and dad were attending the same event, and it wasn't appropriate for the three youngest kids, so mom and dad hired a sitter.

I never really paid much attention to any of the girls from the student ward. The boys would toss a ball around with me or toss me around, which I thought was great fun, but the girls just weren't of much interest. Then the doorbell rang, and in walked the most beautiful creature on which I'd ever lain my eyes, or, for that matter, the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen until I first saw my beautiful wife. Our nanny was very cute, and even mildly pretty. On a 1-10 prettiness scale, she was maybe a 7. (On a cuteness scale, iH such a thing existed, she would have been a perfect 10. The babysitter, on the other hand, was a perfect 10 on any scale. If she'd been into beauty pageants, she surely would have done well. Her looks were up there with any Miss America I've ever seen. I saw an old picture of her recently. She really WAS THAT gorgeous. I remember that her name was Kim. I can recall spending most of the evening until bedtime just staring at her, and I was far too young, maybe four, to be interested in girls.

The nanny, who was in the ward, knew her and had made the recommendation. My dad also knew her, as he was her bishop. Because she hadn't been in the ward long, my mom didn't know her. Introductions were made to my mom and to the children.

My mom made the rather lame comment, "You MUST be pure Hawaiian!"

The babysitter laughed and responded, "I get that all the time. Actually, I'm Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, Filipino. Maori, Tahitian, Hawaiian, Swedish, Australian, and English, and that's just what I know about." She paused. "Why do people always think I'm a pure-bred Hawaiian?"

"Because you're what most people picture in their minds when they think of a beautiful Hawaiian maiden," my mom answered her, feeling bit stupid.

My mom later learned while my family was in Hawaii in the 80's that there were just a very few pure Hawaiians left. They've intermarried with pretty much every culture that ever settled in the islands. So much for ethnic purity.



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I predict that within the next couple hundred years, as soon as these asinine racial descriptions and other racist modes of thought slowly die out, all people will intermarry, and everyone will have close to the same skin color. We are all slowly moving closer to homogeny, and as far as I'm concerned it can't happen soon enough.

I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with wanting to preserve your cultural heritage, as it has to do with things that relate to your country of origin,or traditions that have to do with your family, or your ancestors, or any of that, but it always strikes me as a little odd when people are so emphatic and proud about the fact that there are 'x' race or whatever. When that Pride starts to take the form of Notions of superiority, that's when the trouble seems to start.

I guess I kind of have two minds about it. Don't know what to think in some respects. If there were total homogeny, it seems like there would be one less thing for people in the world fight over, although I'm sure people would find other things to fight about. I hope you guys get what I mean.

Honestly, the greatest weapon in the fight against ignorance and against discrimination is better education and enlightenment.

I think diversity is great. I also feel like people's ignorance and hatred and belief in the idea that having a certain skin color makes you Superior has cost millions of lives.



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"When I said you must teach your people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage." Spencer W. Kimball

Beginning in her early teens, my wife was raised by her grandmother (American Indian) and her step-grandfather (white). Neither were LDS. She joined the church because her grandparents wanted a good social life for her and one of her grandfather's co-workers talked up the Young Women's program to him.

At a daddy daughter dance, a member of the Stake Presidency told her grandfather "I hope she marries her own kind". The prophet Kimball's influence affected most members back then. Her grandfather was pissed off, to put it mildly.

When I started dating my wife, I didn't know she was American Indian. To me she was a knock-out brunette with brown eyes.

When we planned the temple marriage her grandparents couldn't participate because they were non-members. Her grandmother took it the hardest. We arranged for the Stake President to try to help her understand. That was a terrible mistake. He told her "you are not worthy". For context, her grandparents had encouraged her to become LDS. They had financed her mission for a church they did not belong to. But now they were "not worthy".

Civil marriage first was not an option. Spencer W. Kimball's teaching was that if one or both of us died during the year wait, God would not honor the sealing for the dead because we would have mocked God by not doing it right in the first place. Such was Kimball's bullshit that we believed at the time in those years. I was active duty military and my job was high risk to begin with, without even considering deployments or war. The best insurance at the time seemed to be to do what the prophet had said.

So we traveled about 700 miles in one day to the nearest temple, in the winter over much the same route the Martin Handcart Co. traveled, with the risk of highway closures for weather. We did this without a chaperone and nobody from our ward or stake with us. We did this to try to obey what we believed God wanted us to do, leaving behind a very hurt and angry grandmother. We got married in an interracial marriage that Spencer W. Kimball did not approve of.

That was about 33 years ago. The so-called Prophet Spencer W. Kimball was simply wrong. Those young members today who say the LDS church was never racist have their heads up their asses.

On a more positive note, my wife's grandmother didn't let the situation stop her from doing something to be a part of our marriage. She arranged for an American Indian holy man of her people (WWI veteran) to perform a traditional wedding ceremony for us a couple of months after we were married in the temple. All of her relatives from the reservation were able to attend and to this day that ceremony means a hell of a lot more to me than the throat slashing bullshit of the endowment and the pretty much meaningless words of the temple sealer. We didn't discuss it with the bishop, we just did it for her grandmother and for us. It is actually against the policies of the church even now to have a second ceremony after the temple marriage.

Mormonism is sick when it comes to interracial marriages. That illness of the church is now showing itself again in the same sex marriage issues.

The church isn't what it once was. It's still bad, of course. Still a cult, and all that, but it was worse before. One of my former bishops married a black woman. They are uber-TBM and have sent at least two of their mixed race kids on missions, both kids going to the same foreign mission. (The kids' going to the same mission is not so strange when you consider that the husband is a highly paid church employee, and his black wife comes from the Caribbean location where his two kids served their missions. Shoot, his daughter was even allowed to visit her grandmother recently. Such is privilege among LDS elite.)