Like these two below.

Ouija (2014)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1204977/?ref_=tt_rec_tt

Ouija: Origin of Evil (2016)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4361050/?pf_rd_m=A2FGELUUNOQJNL&pf_rd_p=2495768522&pf_rd_r=038CY4KZB84VGEVZBYXF&pf_rd_s=right-7&pf_rd_t=15061&pf_rd_i=homepage&ref_=hm_cht_t4

A seer stone in a hat is basically a ouija board for people who are too lazy to read.

A seer stone in a hat doesn't seem that much different from a Ouija board, does it?

"A seer stone in a hat doesn't seem that much different from a Ouija board, does it?"

Well, the seer stones are cheaper, for starters. And if you have a seer stone, you don't have to wait on the Ouija board to tell you stuff. You can just make it up as you peer into your hat.

Most TBMs I know avoid horror movies since the genre isn't considered very virtuous (just look at the content of franchises like The Human Centipede). Of course, there are some very high quality horror movies, and movies that are decent and PG-13, but those tend to be lesser known than their torture porn subgenre counterparts. TBMs also seem to avoid anything too occult (ouija boards, palmistry, seances, pentagrams, etc), which is ironic considering its similarities or parallels to mormonism.

Personally, I love horror movies. Found footage films are a favorite of mine, and not having to watch them with TBM family members is an added bonus.

Also, what is wrong with the zodiac? My ex TBM would never even tell me his sign or let me read the horoscope even for entertainment. Also, not big on birthdays or gifts. Maybe not a mormon thang but a cheap skate thing. Too stuffy to have fun!!!
Seer stone---that was funny....

> Also, what is wrong with the zodiac? My ex TBM
> would never even tell me his sign or let me read
> the horoscope even for entertainment.

In the words of the late, great British (semi-amateur) astronomer Patrick Moore, "astrology is bunk".

In other words, it's a load of cobblers; it's bo***cks.

There is no means or mechanism by which astrology can produce what it claims to produce. The stars and planets do not exist for our benefit.


If anyone is really intereswted in the stars, try astrophysics instead - you won't be sorry you did.

Does it matter (to other TBMs) *why*, to a TBM the mere fact that the leaders 'counsel' avoidance is good enough - no reason to go searching for pesky, irrelevant things such as answers or evidence etc. The mere command is enough.

That being said, we now know quite enough about how ouija boards, planchettes etc work. Google "ideomotor effect".

As an aside, any UK people here wanting a good laugh could do a lot worse than watch the Steptoe & Son episode "Seance in a Wet Rag & Bone Yard". Hilarious.

On the subject of horror films, one of the most effective is The Haunting (the original, not the remake). Directed by none other than Robert Wise, the man who was also responisble for The Sound of Music lol. A very good horror film that plays with the mind rather than splatters gallons of blood.

One of my favorite movies. Watched it as a kid and it scared the crap out of me. I finally read the book by Shirley Jackson. The movie is very true to the book.

Studied both at different periods in my life, I prefer astrophysics and other various forms of astronomy. Astrology though was never more than a hobby I used to shock my Mormon neighbors.

Currently I am an "inactive" church member and never intend to go again (largely due to J.S's angels stuff, besides the silly temple stuff, and etc.). Currently, I stay a member for my husband's sake.

But being a member, or not, is not the point on this subject--I am a scardy-cat, and believe in evil and Satan. And yes, when I looked up Ouija boards the other day, it seemed to qualify as a sort-of medium for some people to experience scary stuff. Silly? Ok. But I'm not about to fool around with one anyway.

As to one reason why, is that I believe in a palpable evil force that is eager to be invited "in", and stir things up. I will share one experience I had with this force:

I entered an empty bedroom (to clean it up and get it ready for a new occupant), and as I did so I felt a distinct chill go up and down my spine. I immediately left the room and didn't enter it again until I prayed, in the name of Jesus, for the evil to leave. Not much happened.

Then, I prayed again, in the name of Jesus, and mentioned the scriptures' promises to have "honorable/proper" prayers answered (or, something to that effect).

The second prayer did the trick, and when I prayed "in the name of Jesus Christ" at the doorway of the room, the curtains over the closed windows flew open, and with this, whatever evil was in the room, whooshed out the closed windows.

The room was again "normal", with no more cold chills, and no more blowing curtains over closed windows, with no wind outside.

I don't believe I imagined the chills, and I certainly hadn't expected any. But I think what happened was this:

The person previously living in that bedroom had been struggling with life choices, and was vulnerable to being purswaded either way. It was decision time for him, and this "uninvited" power of evil was hanging around and came swooping into the room. This occupant moved out, but the evil spirits remained behind--having been, in effect, "encouraged" in.

The good part of this story is that the previous occupant dismissed the troublesome life style choice, and worked very hard to become happier in more wholesome ways (without giving attention to the church activities he had left behind). Instead, he choose a moral life-style of his own, not through church attendance, and not only that, but taught himself marshal-arts with which to physically fight "bad" guys.

This satisfied him, as when he was in Jr. & High school, gang-guys picked on him a lot, in gang-fashion, and he was fed up with this. So, he taught himself his own brand of marshal arts, and then broke the shoulder bone of the first guy who started a fight with him, and threw this guy over his shoulder and dumped him into a school garbage can.

The principle wanted to punish both of them for fighting, but he wouldn't accept this decision, and instead said, "What--punish both the bully trouble-maker and me, for defended myself and stopping the trouble maker?"--And that was the end of that nonsense. Moreover, he told the gang leader that if he--or any of his buddies--every picked on him again, he would "go straight for the leader for another go-around"). (Smart kid.)
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Currently he is married to a non-active previously-Catholic woman, and they have two wonderful little girls, and are doing a marvelous job of living productive moral lives of their own making (without the help of either church).

(A story that ended well.)

I am sure you had an experience that was both frightening and unnerving. I have seen and heard things that are unexplainable to me but I cannot truthfully credit them to demonic or otherwise evil supernatural forces. I read your story just as I was going to bed and when I turned the lights off to cross the hall to my bedroom I felt that tingling up my spine. But I know it to be a natural thing not supernatural. Our racial memories lead us to fear the darkness, as there were very many real nasty dangerous things out there. Our nature associates cold with bad and warmth with comfort and goodness it is why we gathered around our campfires we set at the mouth of our caves. Warmth and light to expel the cold and darkness, all very natural elements in this natural world of ours.
Our human fear of the dark is self preservation and not a supernatural occurrence. I have walked the darkest forests, been in recognized haunted rooms, buildings, graveyards and many other places. During an armed conflict my unit took shelter in what we later found to be a supposed haunted building. The very human forces we feared outside far exceeded any fear of shadows within. We were greatfull for the shelter and found time for rest and restbite there.
I have been in some very interesting places including old prisons that held the evilest of men. I could feel the residue of the badness left behind by these people but I do not believe that to be a supernatural force in any way other that an echo of the past recorded there in a way I have yet to understand.
Fear is a rational emotion that preserves us and fear is the reason why most cannot do things others of equal physical ability do with not a second thought.
To quote Frank Herbert. "Fear is the mind killer." I can walk a six inch wide plank one foot of the ground. But raise that plank to 20 or 50 or 1000 feet and it is another story. The thing preventing me from performing the same deed is fear and fear alone.
People use fear to control others from Voodoo to Magic to Mormonism and Christianity.
What you experienced was a very real fear and a very real experience of fear but it was not supernatural.

After reading about JS and his dealings with the occult the Mormon views of this type of thing seems hypocritical.

Mormons have never opened their minds, they are still stuck in the dark ages of religiosity , you know, Satan, Ghosts. evil spirits. I'm surprised they don't still stick a bone in their hair and dance around the fire shaking sticks and screaming oaths . Its called religiosity infantile thumb sucking to ward off the boogie man. They suffer from stunted brains.

saucie Wrote:
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> I'm surprised
> they don't still stick a bone in their hair and
> dance around the fire shaking sticks and screaming
> oaths .

They do different rituals. Eat special bread and drink special
water. Wear funny clothing while doing special handshakes.
Raise their right hand to the square and rebuke Satan. Put dabs
of olive oil on people's heads and then call upon spirits over
them etc.

Only different in dancing around the fire shaking sticks and
screaming oaths in the outward details.

baura Wrote:
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> saucie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm surprised
> > they don't still stick a bone in their hair and
> > dance around the fire shaking sticks and
> screaming
> > oaths .
>
> They do different rituals. Eat special bread and
> drink special
> water. Wear funny clothing while doing special
> handshakes.
> Raise their right hand to the square and rebuke
> Satan. Put dabs
> of olive oil on people's heads and then call upon
> spirits over
> them etc.
>
> Only different in dancing around the fire shaking
> sticks and
> screaming oaths in the outward details.

Good point Baura.

I went to a new ward as a convert and a very young YSA. At Sunday school, the teacher asked us to name "any place we could find 'answers,' good or bad." People mentioned everything from Scriptures to studies to gossip, horoscopes, and tabloids. I threw out "Ouija boards." Everyone immediately stared at me, one girl scoffed and said, "No, we don't encourage that," and the teacher refused to write it (though he had written horoscopes and the National Enquirer). There was a stunned judgmental silence as if I was some pariah. I went home and cried. :(



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Woodsmoke, never cry over anything Mormons think or say. I had a bishop drive to my house alone while my husband was at work and sit and lecture me on reading "such heresy as Psychology Today."

They gotta think something is bad--clearly they don't think pedophiles are bad--gotta be those evil Ouija boards, scary movies, and Psychology Today. (and coffee.)

BTW, "Things We Do in The Shadows" is a great dark vampire comedy. So fun!

I was 19 and very vulnerable. We used them as a joke at sleepovers when I was a kid.

It was then I realized that Mormons were not the kind open people I thought.

I love "Things We Do in the Shadows," it's one of my favorite comedies.

OUI - YES in French.
JA - YES in German.

Why not call it "YES-SI" or "HAI-DA" or any other "yes" combination?

A fraud by any other name would smell as foul.

LDS, Inc. perpetuates this nonsense to keep the flock living in fear, and paying their tithing.

Only Mormon Prophets are allowed to answer questions.

Too bad nobody is allowed to ask them anything.

Satan controls Ouija boards, and all occult stuff, don't you know !

Yikes! Imagine throwing a missionary into a swimming pool on a Sunday, with a ouija board taped to his head!!!!

We're told by the apologists that Joseph Smith developed his
"spiritual sensitivity" looking at his peepstone in his hat when
hunting for buried treasure.

So just tell your Bishop that you want to develop your
spirituality and spiritual sensitivity and that's the reason you
bought a Quija board. Just tell him you want to be like Joseph
Smith.