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Posted by: Anonymous 2 ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 02:25PM

that the morg and other religious wackos came out with!??

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 03:04PM

I prefer my drugs orally adminstered

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Posted by: brefots ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 03:07PM

I don't think they really understand what the problem of addiction is. Watching porn or playing computer games or drinking a cup of coffee or a glass of wine is not a problem of addiction. The problem is if you can't stop yourself from watching porn while at work or need a glass of wine to not shake uncontrollably e.t.c. There are real paralyzing and very destructive addictions and then it's enjoying things and these two phenomenons are actually very easy to distinguish from each other.

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Posted by: Onan the Barbarian ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 03:19PM

Actually, the porn and drug connection is well established. And no, "the morg and other religious wackos" did not come out with this.

You may all now return to jerking yourselves and each other off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428861/Porn-addicts-brain-activity-alcoholics-drug-addicts.html

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 04:40PM

That doesn't establish any "porn and drug connection."
And it doesn't justify "porn is a drug."

What the research does show is that certain brain areas (reward and pleasure centers) show similar activity during compulsive (but not non-compulsive) porn use and during compulsive drug use.

Which tells us something about how compulsions are driven by our need for reward and pleasure.

But doesn't tell us that "porn is a drug."
Because it's not.

By the way, the same brain areas light up during sex -- even non-compulsive sex. How about that.

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Posted by: Porn is the New Drug ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 02:03AM

Forget kolob. As is often the case, you need to release your grip on your putz and hie yourself to a library and actually do some real research:

http://www.evidenceunseen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Picture15.png

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 09:53AM

A picture that produces two quotes that *don't* support your claim that porn is a drug? That's what you offer?

Hey, genius -- porn is pictures. It's not a drug.
Some human brains react similarly when compulsive behaviors from either porn or drugs stimulate the pleasure centers...but that doesn't make porn a drug, or drugs pictures.

Now if you'd actually *read* the research, instead of just look at the headlines, you might be able to come up with some facts. Somehow I doubt that's going to happen, though...

Apples and oranges have some common attributes. They both grow on trees, they both contain seeds, they both contain sugars. However, apples are not oranges. Get it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2016 10:16AM by ificouldhietokolob.

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Posted by: jacob ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 11:10AM

Hey, genius -- porn is pictures. It's not a drug.


I love it.

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Posted by: helamonster ( )
Date: November 14, 2016 01:43PM

That the person making the ersatz "porn-drug connection" links to two pseudo-news sites that have little credibility.

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Posted by: tokki ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 02:09PM

You've over stated your case. One lone study doesn't establish anything and subsequent studies have not supported the original findings.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/04/pornography.aspx

The section titled "Addiction to love?" discusses the Voon study from the Daily Mail article.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 03:39PM

Great find, tokki.

"People who reported greater problems controlling porn use had no clear change in the P300 value related to their level of sexual problems, whether they viewed porn or neutral images such as food or people skiing (Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2013). "Our findings don't make them look at all like addicts," she says.
Meanwhile, a 2013 study by researchers at the University of Leicester in the United Kingdom suggests that a penchant for porn may be more compulsion than addiction. In a study of porn use among 226 men, the researchers found that certain traits — neuroticism, agreeableness, conscientiousness and obsessional checking behaviors — were correlated with high pornography use (Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 2013). Men who have trouble resisting the lure of porn websites might simply have dispositions that make them more vulnerable to compulsive problems in general, the researchers concluded."

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Posted by: Itzpapalotl ( )
Date: November 12, 2016 08:54AM

I think the OCEAN test could actually prove valuable to this sort of thing and study. :)

Calling it a compulsion is also fine with me...It's not the product that's necessarily addictive, it's the person and the ways in which they consume the product and how it affects their life.

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Posted by: op47 ( )
Date: November 12, 2016 09:13AM

The Daily Mail is hardly a reliable source. In fact they probably are not any more reliable than the "morg" for this kind of thing.

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 04:03PM

Mormons are addicted to meetings. They find that if they can't go they experience anxiety and guilt. This addiction is bad and it affects those around them. Addicts will even leave there small children with strangers just to go to a meeting.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 06:22PM

My parents left me in a stranger's house once, they were in such a hurry to get to church. I was eight.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 05:46PM

Pornography is a drug.

As with any pharmaceutical it should be administered wisely as
needed.

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Posted by: Princess Telestia ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 05:58PM

Again the Morg spend way too much time with this rather than I don't know; THE HIGH LDS RAPE RATE?!?!?

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Posted by: cinda ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 09:03PM

OP: is there a link to an article that you read? Otherwise, I'm not sure that I understand what you are referring to?

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Posted by: Anonymous 2 ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 09:14PM

Here is some help. They're having a free community meeting about this on November 14 at the high school. There's no sign of morg involvement in the ad. Just the school districts and CPS.

Our community even has a porn recovery group as well!

http://fightthenewdrug.org

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Posted by: Babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 12:09AM

New word of the day: Fapstronaut

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Posted by: Topped ( )
Date: November 10, 2016 09:58PM


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Posted by: Elizabeth S. ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 10:18AM

My ex husband was an ex missionary; he had an addiction to masturbation long before I married him. I didn't learn about this until about 2 years into the marriage.

So it's not a about a problem of addiction? How about addictive behaviour; he said he just couldn't stop himself.

What fed into his addiction was his sneaky compulsion to buy printed pornography (Playboy, Penthouse...etc, to get him aroused.... so this was long before the internet access).

There was certainly nothing wrong with me and my appetite, my appearance, my weight, my personality, in that marriage. I discovered that being beautiful and available has nothing to do with stopping the behaviour of someone who is Ocd, with a mental problem who is addicted to masturbating and pornography.
I learned that he repeatedly counselled with Bishops about his addiction and repeatedly fell off the wagon.
It was crazy making in the marriage.

I am happy I am OUT of that marriage and IN a healthy relationship now.

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Posted by: Babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: November 11, 2016 12:08PM

Mormon sexual repression causes sneaky compulsions that some guys can't overcome. It's a breeding ground for abnormal psychology. If you're really following Church counsel, you'll try really, really hard to not think about sex or masturbation. The result? It's all you think about.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: November 12, 2016 05:53AM

http://akinokure.blogspot.in/2013/03/primitive-mans-sex-life-was-free-of.html



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2016 06:24AM by anybody.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: November 14, 2016 12:00PM

Pretty sad piece there. It cherry-picks "research" that fits the author's pre-conceived notion while ignoring any that contradicts it (and there's a lot), resorts to name-calling, and blames ALL sex practices on "libs and progs." All from an author with zero experience in scientific research.

That piece can be safely filed in the circular file.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: November 14, 2016 03:04PM

https://psmag.com/bonobos-have-lots-of-sex-are-awesome-may-hold-key-to-our-past-d89e75f7d5a3#.b146mgi9y

There's nothing wrong with sex in cinema but without context it's meaningless. Just showing a sex act just by itself isn't very interesting.



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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 16, 2016 11:50PM

I agree.

Also, since I'm a nudist, some ppl I know think nudism/sexuality/porn are all connected.

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Posted by: gettinreal ( )
Date: November 13, 2016 02:33PM

Oxygen ( O2 ) is a drug.... literally. This thread is stupid and the argument pathetic. Seriously, who gives a $hit?

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Posted by: Free Man ( )
Date: November 13, 2016 05:12PM

Why don't we just make porn illegal and have the cops and DEA go after it?

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Posted by: koriwhore ( )
Date: November 13, 2016 07:50PM

Such bullshit.

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: November 14, 2016 11:47AM

I like cake. Sometimes I like my cake with icing. Doesn't mean I am addicted to icing. Also I like pie, I am not addicted to cake. Cookies are good, but a hot fudge brownie Sunday, with 3 strawberries, and a strip of bacon will cause my eyes to roll to the back of my head.

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Posted by: Bob Gray ( )
Date: November 14, 2016 04:14PM

Porn is hilarious because it warps minds and causes shame. That's why I don't look at it, but I laugh quite a bit at the people it has changed into something disgusting. }:-)

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