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Posted by: scootergirl57 ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:20PM

Is this taught? Quotes?

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:25PM

That's a funny sub line, if you think about it.

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Posted by: scootergirl57 ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 01:13PM

No sex would be better than vanilla mormon sex.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:26PM

Nobody touches my lower kingdom except pretty girls and my own right hand!

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:27PM

Guess the dudes won't be needing Cialis or Viagra who make it to there.

No need to reproduce in the lower kingdom, after all. That's reserved for the Celestial glory.

;-)

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Posted by: midwestanon ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:27PM

Sounds like one of those nonsense Mormon Myths, or something Bruce R. Mcconkie tried to promulgate.
Either way, it is of equal (non) substantive value, and probably found nowhere in any quote-unquote 'official' LDS text.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2017 08:28PM by midwestanon.

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:32PM

I only heard that recently from a guy on YouTube I never heard it taught when I was in the church otherwise I probably would have left sooner that's some bullshit right there.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:41PM

It's hilarious to me that old sexless people dream of copulating forever. There was a time in my youth when my libido rode me harder than Hoss ran his horse in Bonanza. A helluva burden.

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Posted by: anontooday ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:47PM

Morg taught me...

You'll be a smootheein the lower kingdoms, as my tbm mother explained in a family home evening...

There will also be vintage wine and beautiful women there but the bottom of the wine bottles will have a hole in it...

The women wont

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Posted by: anon tonite ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 08:48PM

As far as I'm aware, this nonsense appears only twice in all of church "literature," both times in the writings of that worthless POS Joseph Fielding Smith.

Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 4, pp. 66-67:

"Our own sober judgment teaches us that the Lord in his infinite wisdom and justice, would see to it that the privileges of increase or cohabitation between men and women in these kingdoms would be impossible because of peculiar conditions pertaining to these glories.

"Is not the sectarian world justified in their doctrine generally proclaimed, that after the resurrection there will be neither male or female sex? It is a logical conclusion for them to reach and apparently is in full harmony with what the Lord has revealed regarding the kingdoms into which evidently the vast majority of mankind is likely to go. However, if members of the Church are faithful and true to the covenants and commandments of the gospel, there is no reason for them to worry about the condition which will prevail in these several kingdoms."


Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 2, pp. 287-88:

"In both of these kingdoms there will be changes in the bodies and limitations. They will not have the power of increase, neither the power or nature to live as husbands and wives, for this will be denied them and they cannot increase…

"Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed. I take it that men and women will, in these kingdoms, be just what the so-called Christian world expects us all to be – neither man nor woman, merely immortal beings having received the resurrection."


I don't think even McConkie was on board with this batshit idea; I've never come across anything from him endorsing or mentioning it, and the two were usually in lock-step.

But there are always TBMs for whom any random GA thought is doctrine, and so it got spread around the church like the feces of a chimpanzee.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:04PM

Love how JFS, with his Mormon puritan verbiage, dances around the
topic without actually mentioning the existence or lack there of
of sex organs.

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 09:57AM

"Some of the functions in the celestial body will not appear in the terrestrial body, neither in the telestial body, and the power of procreation will be removed."

Does that mean that we can't pee, either? I was hoping to be able to stand at the edge of my celestial cloud and pee on the universe.

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Posted by: Jonny the Smoke ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 01:23PM

"Our own sober judgment teaches us....."

Translation: We just made this up out of our own heads.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 10:57PM

anon tonite Wrote:
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> But there are always TBMs for whom any random GA
> thought is doctrine, and so it got spread around
> the church like the feces of a chimpanzee.


Aren't those the Same TBMs who will explain that sometimes the GAs 'speak as a man'?


or not.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 09:00PM

Aww...
And here I was counting on using up eternity in the lower kingdom by filling my time with sex...

Oh, well. I guess I'll just have to go back to being sane.

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Posted by: Rolled tacos on a sunday ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:03PM

I'd rather be Johnson less then hang out with some boring tbm's forever

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:06PM

Now that is sacrifice but I think I'd make the same call

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:16PM

But remember, we'll still have all the urges that we cultivate in
life, but will just be unable to satiate them. So you'll be
sexless but horny.

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:41PM

That could be hell actually

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Posted by: randyj ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 09:59AM

"But remember, we'll still have all the urges that we cultivate in
life, but will just be unable to satiate them. So you'll be
sexless but horny."

"You wanna be a eunuch *all* your life?"---Zero Mostel in "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum".

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 10:19PM

The technical term is "TK Smoothie"

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Posted by: Brother Bacon Sandwich ( )
Date: February 02, 2017 11:34PM

I was taught this in one of my book of mormon classes at BYU in 79 or 80. The teacher's last name was Shields. He didn't say that expressly. I don't recall the context, but he said something about missing out on the CK and not being able to procreate and looked down at his crotch and shrugged. The implication was clear.

I was BIC in a TBM family, and I'd never heard of such a thing before then. I was already apostate by then. I rolled my eyes.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 02:41AM

They wouldn't know chakras (or eternity) if their [after (or before)]life depended on it.

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Posted by: Babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 02:49AM

This is exactly why I don't want to go to the CK. Who wants to be surrounded by a bunch of dicks?

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 03:21AM

Since saints in the CK will populate planets, no one in the lower kingdoms will need genitals.

Mormons don't usually talk about this doctrine to outsiders, but that's their belief.

God's eternal plan doesn't allow for sex outside marriage and there is no marriage in the lower kingdoms.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 09:52AM

or "endless celestial sex" for that matter

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Posted by: John Mc ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:12AM

Did we have them in the pre earth life?
You would think that with all the dicks in the Mormon church they were foreordained.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:21AM

"Did we have them in the pre earth life?"

It depends on which version or the pre-earth life you are thinking about. Per Mormon doctrine, we were 'intelligences' before we were given 'spirit bodies'.

What a mass of confusion.

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Posted by: Phazer ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:42AM

That topic was among the gospel mysteries and sacred mormon secrets that the current leaders in the 80s & 90s didn't talk to much about. It was "DEEP" doctorine and that we should just live the basics and not worry so much about the details.

In the early 80s
I remember telling a non member friend of mine that people who didn't make it to the celestial kingdom would not have sexual organs or the anatomy to have sex if they were not in the true heaven.

My friend must of thought that was a very far out there idea.
Who knows what his parents might of thought about the idea after the idea was told to them.

The afterlife topic was never spoken between us ever again...at least I can't recall if we ever discussed it again.

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Posted by: scootergirl57 ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 01:18PM

Crazy cult.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: March 05, 2018 04:13AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphnhNopWUo

.....Oh, (relative to MORmONISM and human Sexuality) and It was NEVER taught that (pervert MORmON profit) Joseph Smith had ever said that an angel with a drawn flaming sword would destroy Joe IF Joe did not start up with polygamy just as MORmON Jesus had instructed Joe to do ....... Unless THE (MORmON) church finds itself with its back against the wall on the matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8EPzzniyw

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 03:45PM

Phazer Wrote:
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> That topic was among the gospel mysteries and
> sacred mormon secrets that the current leaders in
> the 80s & 90s didn't talk to much about. It was
> "DEEP" doctorine and that we should just live the
> basics and not worry so much about the details.
>
> In the early 80s
> I remember telling a non member friend of mine
> that people who didn't make it to the celestial
> kingdom would not have sexual organs or the
> anatomy to have sex if they were not in the true
> heaven.
>
> My friend must of thought that was a very far out
> there idea.
> Who knows what his parents might of thought about
> the idea after the idea was told to them.
>
> The afterlife topic was never spoken between us
> ever again...at least I can't recall if we ever
> discussed it again.


SO much for the resurrection where no hair on one's head would be lost.... LOLOLOLOLOL....

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:11PM

Yea no shit

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Posted by: yessir ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 01:22PM

It's all BS... all of it.

Personally, I believe you will still have your genitals, but there will be a snapping turtle eternally attached to it.

Just as arbitrary as the other explanations offered by the church.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 03:29PM

People won't need them. Mind funks will no longer be a thing.

Mormons (DEAD PEOPLE) won't have tongues either, and finally, they'll SHUT UP.

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 03:52PM

HA! I get it. Lower kingdom - genitalia. Good one.

We lower humans figured out the blue pill, so I don't think we will have any trouble in any other world. Besides we are all suppose to be erected in perfect form, right. Can't be denied a lower kingdom if we are already guaranteed a perfect erect body.

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Posted by: Amos90 ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 05:02PM

I was exposed to this idea as a TBM. I recall it being semi-authoritative but considered indescrete. But I do recall some citation for it.

But it's not far fetched if explicit doctrine is that everyone remains unmarried in the lower kingdoms and do not have use for genitals. There is the explicit verse that blood is replaced with spirit in resurrected bodies, a precedent for physical changes.

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Posted by: ozcrone ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 08:04PM

3 levels in celestial kingdom..top one procreate.... 2nd level no organs but act as nursemaids for bubs in top level..3rd level no sex but don't know what they did.

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:17PM

Now that's funny I didn't know that second level are the nursemaids for the top level it's all about helping out the sex enterprise on the top floor haha.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 08:33PM


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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:21PM

Mormons don't think their beliefs/doctrines are Stupid either...

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 03, 2017 10:23PM

kindergarten theology

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Posted by: Kathleen nli ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 03:01AM

No more annoying catheters.

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Posted by: Kathleen nli ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 03:44AM

...... sorry ..... really bad joke ...

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Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 03:54AM

Remember the source; those two places are equally as mythical. Joseph Smith also talked of "Zelph the White Lamanite" and an angel with a flaming sword that commanded him to take additional wives. There's a huge credibility gap for those who've learned to shed LDS indoctrination.

I recall this was an issue between myself and the bishop's daughter back when Joseph Fielding Smith--mentioned above--was LDS Church president. I have no idea whether there were other sources for this claim, but it was widespread then and now.

Per the lyrics from one of the songs from a "Saturday's Voyeur," production, that marvelous annual spoof produced by the Salt Lake Acting Company that pokes fun at all things Mormon, invariably with a new "current events twist":

"There's no erection in the Resurrection!"



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Posted by: Grumpy old bastard ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 12:13PM

Who gives two shits. Sex is overrated anyways.

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Posted by: badassadam ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 12:54PM

Not worth dying over thats for sure.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 01:42PM

Another effort in their never-ending battle to shift focus of 'the saints' away from Kindness, Respect, & Honesty.



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Posted by: schweizerkind ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 01:48PM

review put on by the Salt Lake Acting Company (to the tune of "There's No Business Like Show Business"):

"There's no erection
In the resurrection . . ."

And-that's-the-way-it-was-taught-to-me-ly yrs,

S

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 04, 2017 02:03PM

Wait a sec...

A penis engorged with blood > an erection which enables intercourse which enables conception > parenthood.

No Blood > no erections.

End of story

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Posted by: TKSmoothMe ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 04:24PM

But maybe we’ll still have fingers and anuses. And maybe even the gift of tongues.

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Posted by: Anziano Young ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 09:34PM

How does this jive with the Mormon teaching that "even a hair of the head shall not be lost" (Alma)?

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 10:06PM

Anziano Young Wrote:
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> How does this jive with the Mormon teaching that
> "even a hair of the head shall not be lost"
> (Alma)?


It doesn't. It was never doctrine

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 10:05PM

Never was a doctrine. Just one of those nutty speculations that members would create.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 04, 2018 10:24PM

Members' nutty speculations?

More like the nutty speculations of prophets and apostles.

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Posted by: Ballz ( )
Date: March 05, 2018 12:24AM

Mine's in my lower kingdom.
That way I stay higher.

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Posted by: JUlie Byam ( )
Date: March 05, 2018 12:33AM

With apologies to Alma that was copied some 2 thousand years ago by The Disciple Matthew in Matthew Chapter 10 verse 30 quoting Jesus that "the very hairs of your head are all numbered" in order to let the listener know how important each soul is to The Father.

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Posted by: scmdnotloggedin ( )
Date: March 05, 2018 03:11AM

It's not taught in the temple and it's not in any scripture that is currently available.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2018 03:31AM

That is true. But the prophets speak for God; and from Adam-God and the priesthood ban through the sealing of men as brothers, to the Family Proclamation, prophets have determined doctrine.

Conversely there are any number of things stated in the scriptures that are completely ignored and things that have been removed from the temple ceremony, including the death oaths, changes in the garment, and the prayer that God would take vengeance on the United States for the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum.

The disappearing genitalia notion is not taught now, but it was through the last editions of Doctrines of Salvation and Mormon Doctrine--giving it authority through the 1970s and probably the 1980s. That puts it on the same ground as lots of things that were once doctrine and, in some seminaries and institutes and wards, probably still are.

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