Posted by:
ificouldhietokolob
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Date: May 10, 2017 07:09PM
anonuk Wrote:
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> it is not a case of advocating free speech and
> high taxes and to say it is so is quite frankly
> clutching at straws to make an argument for
> argument's sake. It is, however, about equality
> under law and being able to use the law - equally,
> regardless of religious belief or non belief.
Here, let me dissect this steaming pile of straw-men and obfuscation...
> I am not advocating the particular law involved, I
> am applauding the fact that equality under the law
> still exists.
So you're OK then if somebody calls to complain to the police that their neighbor is a christian, and that offends them? And you think the police should spend time and money investigating the complaint that a neighbor is a christian?
How about is somebody is offended, and complains, because their neighbor is white? Does that merit police time and money too?
Because those are "equal" to complaining that somebody blasphemed your religion. If you want equality under the law, you must be OK with those things, too. Or is it that you just want "equality" for your preferred religion, and not anything else?
> Yourself and ificouldhietokolob, amongst others,
> appear to be the ones who seem to consider that
> everyone should NOT be equal under the law of the
> land. All animals are equal, but some are more
> equal than others, perhaps?
And there's straw-man #1. Neither of us ever said anything of the sort. We both pointed out that "blasphemy" shouldn't be a "legitimate complaint." Anybody's "blasphemy." Against any religion. Equal treatment under the law -- the same for everyone, criticizing any religion should not be a crime.
> If you don't live in Ireland you cannot change
> their laws, unless you are part of the EU
> Commission, then everything you dictate becomes
> law in member states eventually.
I've been to Ireland a number of times. Had a damn fine time, too. Had I known, though, that if I'd mentioned in a bar how idiotic I find christianity, and somebody got "offended," I could have wound up in jail, I might not have gone. And publicizing such middle-ages stupidity still being the law of an otherwise modern country might help change it. So, actually, I *can* change their laws -- or at least try to influence others to do so.
> I didn't make the law you guys do not approve of.
> Should we just have the irish do away with the law
> and due process completely because a few archaic
> laws are still on a statute book that is one more
> than a thousand years older than the american
> statute book?
First, nobody advocated getting rid of all laws or due process. There's straw-man #2.
We pointed out how ridiculous and unjust this law was.
Oh, and this law isn't "archaic" and didn't come from "a thousand years" ago. It was passed recently. Maybe you should have read the article that was originally linked to, where it gave that bit of information...
> We like our heritage here in these
> islands, we've been here thousands of years, some
> of our laws are from old tribal times, long before
> the magna carta - they have not yet been repealed
> or abolished; please see my previous post for
> details on the law system in use.
Good for you.
This law is blatantly stupid. It merits criticism. "Heritage" or not.
> Please do not do down the irish - they have been
> done down enough in their history without you lot
> adding to it and missing the point under debate
> entirely.
Nobody "did down" the Irish. There's straw-man #3.
We pointed out how ridiculous one law was. That's all.
A point YOU apparently missed.
> You appear to be outraged over something you have
> little understanding of: the irish.
And of course, you have to throw in insults, claiming that we have little understand of the Irish.
Which is false, insulting, and irrelevant.
"Blasphemy" laws merit all the criticism they get.
Whether they're Irish, English, American, Saudi Arabian, or anything else.