I heard the theory of multiple parallel universes from psychics and remote viewers (RV) for over a year now. The remote viewers claimed they once accurately predicted a earthquake in LA (7.6 magnitude) that damaged the airport. Well, they actually did accurately predict an earthquake that hit the LA airport (2.6) but did little to no damage. So why not say well we accurately predicted the earthquake and let it go. No, not good enough! Instead they claim they verified a 7.6 earthquake did hit LA but in another parallel universe by other RV work and the one that hit us was significantly lower.

However, I have never experienced a parallel universe so I have been ‘open’ but not a ‘believer’. I sort of felt that one needed to have an OBE to experience another dimension/parallel universe. Then was reading an ‘intuition’ book where the author covered dreams in one section of a chapter and said there were a number of different types of dreams and one could experience other dimensions/parallel universes in dreams then gave some procedures on how to go about it.

The first night I thought I remembered something and was going for a pen and paper then 'zap' I couldn't remember anything. However, the second night I dreamt I saw an elevator going up and down and said I want to go up. The book I have been reading indicated elevators were one indication in dreams you were going to another dimension/universe.

I immediately noticed I was in an LDS church and was assisting the GD teacher set up a display of crystals (all clear polished bright --- most were clear or whitish some purple, blue, etc. I asked myself what am I doing here as I have not attended in 4-5 years and would not consider sitting through a GD class. However, there I was ‘actively involved’ in helping set up a ‘crystal display’. The teacher was in a suit with a white shirt and tie. The display was set up as he would talk about JS use of ‘seer stones’ then discuss the differences and advantages of different rock crystals. It was clear to me he was going to sell the crystals he had on display. That was all I could remember.

Is this a different parallel universe where Mormonism has different doctrines? Are ‘sear stones’ important for individual members to have and use? Can I be a Mormon in one parallel universe but non Mormon in another? I noticed there were no ‘brown’ stones at all but I never had a chance to ask why not.

I have had many dream experiences with warnings and information that was extremely valuable so I am a 'believer' in 'dream information'. However, I think I will have to have more experiences in 'parallel universes' before I accept that I/my soul/subconscious functions in parallel universes.

Do you even know what a scientific theory is ?

Check out the course "Your Deceptive Mind, A Scientific Guide to Critical Thinking Skills" by Steven Novella, MD.

I'm sure it is on audio or even CDs (Great Courses) at your local library.

I think the post-2012 era is RV friendly because the energy is different. Higher vibration thinking has more power behind it. Plus the remote viewers have the benefit of morphic resonance. If you don't know that term, look up Joe Rogan's podcast with Rupert Sheldrake.

In a universe where time is an artificial construct, everything that can happen has already happened. So in that scenario, there must be infinite universes. We're just winding our way through the bifurcations. I think we're getting better. A lot better. Like with the LA quake, most of the bad things that could happen don't because we're above the vibration of many parallel universes. So there could be universes where Mormonism is even weirder than it is here.

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I certainly agree, based on what I have seen that 'we in general' are getting a 'higher vibration' which is better.

Also, I agree with the idea that the 'higher vibration' impacts a 'better' future. That is why I am very careful how much I come on this site and respond to negative comments. My meditations are mostly directed at getting and keeping a 'higher vibration'.

I don't spend a lot of effort in trying to understand how 'this stuff' works or the studying the many theories out there, but more effort at this time trying to leverage the getting it to work. Based on what I have heard when the RV's worked for the government they had 'science' trying to figure out the 'specifics' with few results.

I have mainly used things that help me with day to day life but when something 'that could expand my worldview' does come up I usually will try it if there is some process to get there.

There are a number of RV people/groups I try to follow because I learned RV from these people/groups. I think they are doing pretty good work from what I have seen and what my 'intuition' tells me. I believe the 'audience' is getting bigger and will continue growing if they continue the quality (even though it is less than 100%) they have been hitting ----- in my opinion.

It's been a little drab lately on RfM. This is a juicy thread. There always the naysayers saying "nay", but experience is what it is. One time I almost rear ended a car, but I mashed the brakes at the last second and the ABS stopped the car with just inches to spare. When I got home, the kids went on about how "dad almost killed us". That night, DW dreamed about visiting all of us in the hospital. Maybe in another universe, the wreck happened.

Totally agree ---- the drab part not sure this is 'juicy' though!!! Thanks for your comments, looks like you are much more into this concept than I have been.

Knowing the intellectual, curiosity and 'awareness level' on this board I was very interested/curious what 'comments' would come out! I just wonder how many read this and just said 'ok, not much to say about that' and went on to another thread?

I wasn't disappointed or shocked with any comments!

Like I said, this is an area I have heard 'stories' about but I have not researched it very much. I practice the 'other intuition/psychic/channel stuff' in my life and it blows my mind sufficiently to keep 'my life' interesting enough along with my grandkids and personal hobbies.

I think it's great that you're remote viewing. It's getting easier the more people do it. It will keep increasing in utility as each generation gets better. The improvements in the world are opening vistas we haven't even imagined. Inventions nobody had thought possible that aren't supposed to do what they do. Things really are changing. The old ways are hanging on, sure, but there's no stopping what's coming. The worm has turned. Heaven on earth cannot be stopped, will not be stopped.

Dear spiritist: I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sale you. But, please dream about it fist.

P. :)

I thought I was DUMB - OMG

Spiritist, is there a way that you can pursue your interest in these things and not have it cost you very much money? Through Mormonism, we've learned that there are a lot of charlatans out there. Please don't fall prey to any.

As for predicting earthquakes, have you ever studied animal behaviors with regard to earthquakes, volcanoes, etc.?

It seems like you are a very curious person. You might enjoy seismography, geology and other sciences.

Good luck to you.

I appreciate your concern, I at first a long time ago, visited the 'psychic' boards and have communicated with these people with some questions and my opinions of them but never paid them any money. I was blown away by the 'people' that visit often as I was able to communicate with them online also. It doesn't take a 'rocket scientist' to understand the mentality of 'people' on these sites. I am not saying all of these 'psychics' were crooks --- some seemed to me like they did have some talent and ability to help people in certain areas.

I should probably visit a board to see if they have changed much in psychics or clients ----- it was very interesting to talk to some of these people!

You think I spend money for any 'intuition/psychic' advice that I 'believe' I can get as easy as anyone else and when I need it versus only when I am on line?

I am accumulating a library although the vast majority of the books I read come from local 'libraries' for FREE!

I only buy a book now I want to keep for reference, for other's with valuable information/techniques, I make notes and have a folder of my typed book notes.

My 'limited' library cost well under $100 (these books are not very expensive especially used ones). I find the highest cost is for 'shipping' not the books.

The 'earthquake' prediction was one of many subjects the people/groups I follow have predicted ----- mostly for free but some of their project do have a cost. I normally am only interested in the 'free' stuff as I know the 'bottom-line' of the paid stuff anyway.

Oh no, I don't think you would pay others for intuitive/psychic advice. i was thinking more along the lines of people trying to sell crystals etc.

I like your method of accumulating a library. I only buy used books, too. :)

I did buy 1 quartz crystal for dowsing. I think it cost $3 with attachment.

I had a lot of fun with my grandkids, dowsing for the 'truth'. I was able to embarrass some of them with the truth by 'dowsing' with the crystal.

I use to dowse a little, now just a tool and I do wear the crystal.

I'd invest in a little mugwort tea. It's said to help RV. Also good for more vivid dreams.

I don't think it's our soul that functions in parallel universes, spiritist.

Scientists, or more rather physicists, are hypothesizing that there are parallel universes perhaps with our clones living similar lives on other planets in a multi-verse setting.

It's very possible according to these scientists, and more likely than not that we have twinsies out there. But we are not them.

That came about before psychics got their hands on the science.

Study up on the science, and then you'll be more informed as to how they might operate, from a scientific basis.

Here's one link now, from a scientific source:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/free-will-and-quantum-clones-how-your-choices-today-affect-the-universe-at-its-origin/

"Some physicists believe multiple universes are possible, but if so, what might they actually look like? To find out, DNews teamed up with YouTube, Disney and Marvel Studios to go on the set of the new movie Doctor Strange and explore this concept in 360!"

This YouTube video explains how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xx3QjP089o

I don't try to rely on 'thinking only' I try to rely more on experiences.

I have read a number of books where psychics, etc. had limited experiences when younger then 'matured' to know they were 'wrong' when they had more experiences and were not under the bondage of family 'religious/other beliefs'!

Could I be wrong about some of my 'beliefs' based on limited experiences ----- sure. But to take some 'non experiencers' theory as the 'truth' is beyond where I am willing to go.


I will certainly be open to 'opinions/theories/etc.' as I seek additional 'experiences' to 'learn' for myself what I believe. That's what I see is an important goal in my life to experience more intuition/psychic/etc./etc. 'experiences'! I actively pursue that goal.

In order to have experiences I first need to know what 'theories' are out there from people that I could 'respect' that my 'intuition' automatically doesn't scream 'wrong, wrong, wrong' to.


Thanks for the references!

I don't know about universes, but parallel parking is a bitch. I can just imagine two universes parking too close to ours, front and back, so we don't have enough room to pull out. Diagonal universes would be a lot easier.



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I just watched a science video explaining there "is no edge to our universe."

It gave listeners five seconds to ponder that lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghaZf1ODia0

I am now a firm believer on the "Mandela Effect "

I would have wagered my life savings that the church had instituted two lists of new names. One for the living getting their own endowment and one for proxy work.

I clearly remember seeing both lists side by side several tkmes on the new name oracle website.

One day I looked and there was only a single listing.

Freaked me out. I asked on this site if anyone remembered two lists. Not another soul did.

I think more people need to study how memory works and how we can fill things in or change those memories. Studying social psychology is imperative to understanding the intrinsic and extrinsic factors that affect all people and how we can mess with our own minds.
As for parallel universes, I'm open to the idea, but I am wary of psychic hucksters who tout they know the real deal.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1922897,1922930,quote=1

I have studied 'how the brain/subconscious/etc.' works periodically from a Psychologist/Life coach/hypnotherapist/past life hypnotist, etc. for the last couple years. He has written a number of books and has clients all over the world. He claims to be an 'expert and a specialist in this knowledge'.

Actually, this information ties in nicely with intuition/past lives/ psychic, etc.. Of course I use it to try to improve my life by getting my subconscious and mind to 'believe' a goal I want to achieve (like law of attraction raising your vibration). It seems it works very similarly just use different terminology.

In fact, when I found out this 'psychologist' was a dedicated meditator (3 times per day) I said to myself he certainly has had 'metaphysical' experiences and can explain them from a technical, educated point of view.

So I went up and bluntly asked in private, since you meditate so much, have you ever experienced 'unusual/psychic' experiences? Of course, I somewhat expected him to either say no period or yes but they relate to some 'psychological effect' easily explainable.

Actually, he said he had experienced many 'psychic, healing, knowing, etc.' experiences and 'believed' it was a 'divine gift' you should feel blest when you get that help or knowledge! Well there goes the 'easily explainable psychological effect' theory!

There was no 'the mind is playing tricks on you' at all! I wish we could have talked for a longer time but we were in a corner and couldn't keep it 'private' for very long and the class break was about over.

Psychology is in the toddler stage and does attract the hucksters, woo/con artists, predators, and people who prefer to believe Freud and Jung are the ultimate masters in this field.

It's quite easy to feel validated in this field when people with a few semesters knowledge are allowed to practice their woo.

I like to think with infinite possible universes out there, there is one where I am a George Michael impersonator.

There is a book on OBEs that you might enjoy if you have not already read it -- "Adventures Beyond the Body" by William Buhlman. He addresses the issue of multiple dimensions. Paraphrasing his work, he states that the closest non-physical dimension to us (which he believes serves as a support structure for our physical dimension) is similar to the physical dimension but not exactly the same. That may be what you are experiencing.

I tried OBEs before. In fact, I heard someone speak about an OBE process that sounded 'logical but different' to me. I tried it and had some 'unique body sensations' but no gold ring. It took me around 25 attempts before I got an experience in the past.

I do 'believe' in multiple dimensions because I believe I did 'visit' the 'spirit' world/dimension and my parents recognized my presence and asked what I was doing there. Then they said I would have to talk to whoever.

Immediately I was in a house/office alone with what I 'believed' was a 'spirit guide?' who I had never met before.

I sure didn't get to see much, which was my purpose but that didn't seem to be what they would permit at that time at least. I have read about many 'near death' experiences, etc. describing what they saw and I just don't believe they were able to see the real day-to-day activities which I thought I had a idea what those were and desired to see.

The 'spirit' I talked to seemed to get a kick out of me getting there and what I wanted to 'experience'. But that is where the 'experience' ended with this guy laughing at my request for a tour.

Was this real? ----- who knows. It felt real but I wasn't able to 'experience' very much at all. So real or not the bottom line was, I wasn't able to 'experience' much.

That experience turned me off on OBEs because it took so many tries then the experience was limited.

I am certainly open to his idea.

I hope to get more 'experiences' in visiting other dimensions/universes in 'dreams' as I have had a lot of 'success' in dream information (different types of dreams) thus far, compared to OBEs. More experiences in other things have certainly clarified many of my beliefs. So we will see if anything happens tonight, tomorrow night, etc.

I have always wondered how this sort of thing was supposed to work. I always figured it was just someone imagining things in their mind, similar to how the three witnesses saw Moroni and the plates with their "spiritual" eyes. How does remote viewing work? How does a psychic know things? Do they just know? Is it just seeing things in your mind? I am genuinely curious.

Please don't refer to the '3 witnesses (liars)' testifying something clearly that was not true with 'psychic' knowledge. Yes, I believe JS was clearly influenced by 'psychics and the metaphysical' but realized the money was with religion so he tried to combine them to make 'religion at the time more exciting'.

There are some 'psychics' that do have different definitions of RV one where you can just go there in your mind (imagine) and for very talented people that may work well. There is also a 'government developed step by step process' (when psychics worked for government). I have done both types of RV work and have tried to combine aspects of both, but normally refer to the 'govt. developed' process when I refer to RVs that I follow.

There are many books from different RV people and organizations that don't cost that much explaining step by step the process. However, different orgs/people have developed slightly different techniques.

I found at least 2 'free' online courses in RV. If you are interested take the RV course online for free and you can learn the process as well as exercise whatever ability you may have. Don't worry that the targets you will have were selected years ago ----- RV eliminates any need to worry about any 'physical time' criteria.

As far as how do psychics or I 'know' something ---- great question I have no idea of the process. I believe it has something to do with our bodies (central nervous system) both sending out a signal that we are interested in this type of information and then picking up information and giving us that 'strong impression' but sometimes we get visions, impressions, dreams, etc. etc. Sometimes, I believe 'spirits' are involved (hey I am spiritist).

I certainly recognize when I 'know' something I should not know. It happens to me periodically so I am getting more familiar with it. At first I didn't trust it very much but 'never' ignored it. Now I trust it more.

The ability to 'visualize/imagine' things is definitely a 'skill' worth developing and very important in getting this type of information in a 'visual' form. I practice 'visualizing' daily, maybe multiple times each day. However, it is normally clear when the 'visualizations' are purely mine and when they are not something I made up.

Hope this answers your questions/curiosity.

I had a very strange dream once. I was someone else, but I was dead. I went back to visit the place that had been home. I was shocked by how it had changed. It had once set on a hill side with a beautiful balcony. My sister (not my real sister) was there too). I was further shocked to find that the once beautiful elegant home was now crumbling. It had been in a beautiful wooded setting, now it was surrounded by buildings. When I woke up, it took me a second to come back to myself. It was very strange. It took me a few seconds to even remember who I was, and where I was.

Some of my dreams are reflections of what I've wondered have been past lives experiences returning in my subconscious.

If we have clones in parallel universes, there was a couple dreams I've had I recall distinctly both involving my daughter of living in a different dimension than this, but in a similar world environment.

One dream I had long ago, pre-children, was from another place and time completely. My 'home' was a large, circular domed room where from the outside there were more than one, of an unusual architectural structure not known in our dispensation. Inside it was filled with objects, curios, etc like someone's attic - only I lived there.

It seemed like a past life remembrance to me at the time. Then there was another strange dream where I was in a city center where there were circular symmetrical steps leading away from the center where all activity took place. It was at night. Of an architectural layout I have not seen reproduced yet since dreaming it, in real life.

Have dreamt of living through wars with bombs dropping all around. Sometimes I've been in an airplane flying overhead during a war scene. Those ones frightened me immensely because they were so vivid and realistic.



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One dream involving TSCC back around 1979 was where a bunch of local Mormons were taking shelter inside a church building while a battalion of jihadists was pillaging their way through that makeshift shelter.

That of course was a nightmare, but not unlike some of the real life scenarios other people of faith have lived through.

Did you look up Mandela effect re spelling of words and phrasing ...that said there could be many explanations . A few years back, Someone who won spelling bees in their youth informed me of the phrase Mandela effect and said people were talking about it, that they just thought it was interesting. That word order and spellings were a big deal to them yet they are they most easy going successful personality.

I politely decline to judge mentally analyze the meaning of your lucid dream or astral exploration or personal remote viewing or voyage of discovery or training or healing through your exploration last night.
I feel that I would not impose my intent upon your intent, my meaning upon your own. I think that your vocabulary both expresses and filters your thoughts and perceptions of your experience and what you explore.
Taking other people's meanings upon yourself it might help it might be a "temporary shelf" but it might interfere.

Words used imply judgement or contain meaning - tiny words express world views, tiny words limit or unlimited a perceptual net cast upon realities imply perceived impossibilities or imply unknowns ...from epeigentics organism interaction with physical environs, to energetic aural interchanges . & don't get me started on tech! Just Coding and electronics building past unknown tech , the best exploration happens one life at a time where we build unknowns from birth into our experience here on earth.

Yes, I did look up the effect.

I went through the 'most common' examples and none of them applied to me but that is not to say others don't.

I don't mind others analyze what I write or dream. I do believe I have an advantage of interpreting my own dreams but I am certainly 'open' to others opinions.

I totally agree with you that how I write, and what words I use, are significant. Most of my dreams, such as the last 2 nights, are primarily visuals (with some emotions) and basically my 'perception' of what I am viewing.

I basically make brief notes when I wake up each morning, then type up a 'fuller' description/perception later in the morning listening to 'relaxing' music. Could I make mistakes/add to it, yes sometimes I can remember later more than I noted in the morning. Sometimes I can recall the exact (I think) images I saw in my dream when listening to calming music and see if there was anything I missed. Unfortunately, I can't always see what I would have liked to and wonder why. Most of my dreams are amazing but always leave a number of questions (mostly new) remaining about something else. Maybe that is just how life is. I want to see something then after I see that 10 question about associated things come up.

Like I inferred above I have experienced a lot but I can't say I 'know' anything for sure. I do believe most of my experiences and after confirming dreams gain a stronger belief but it is still 'beliefs'. I certainly act on what I receive when it is information I need to act on. Obviously, dreams concerning multi universes or dimensions don't require action but aid my 'understanding and awareness'.