That Mormons have either never actually study them or they must be dishonest.

I used to study them, but only with Church approved materials. There-in was my error.

They're deluded and thought controlled. Like the Scientologists who think Xenu is real.

The British Museum has recently put a 3-D view of the Rosetta stone online -- the stone that unlocked the meanings behind Egyptian hieroglyphics. Apparently you can look online all around the stone now, and see what is virtually the same text written in Demotic, Ancient Greek, and in Egyptian hieroglyphics. I did not realize that the stone is so massive.

The knowledge gained from the Rosetta Stone made it clear that Joseph was just guessing, and guessing badly. What Joseph did not realize is that one day people would be able to read hieroglyphics, and trace DNA, and have a deep knowledge of the culture and artifacts of the ancient Americas.

The truth will set you free.

+1000000

I'd like to see a graphic with the seer stone next to the Rosetta stone . . . .

Obvious to Us, unfortunately not to TBMs.

Disconnects this glaring are indeed Rare...

A few years ago, my DH was listening to a man who had received a PHD in Theology. He said that as soon as he read the first two words in the first sentence in the Book of Mormon, he knew the BofM was false, from the get go. Those first two words? " I, Nephi". First Person is not used in either the Old or New Testaments.

valkyriequeen Wrote:
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> First Person is not used in either
> the Old or New Testaments.

"1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,

2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

***3 It seemed good to me also,*** having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

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First person in the bible above.
This guy's PhD doesn't appear to have led him to read Luke.

It could be that the PHD was talking about the singular form of first person.

"Thou" means "you" and is not "first person".

The part I surrounded in asterisks:

"It seemed good to me also"

Singular first person.

There are dozens of other uses of singular first person in the bible as well.



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Those are quotations of characters speaking within the story.
There are tons of those all through the Bible ("Am I my brother's
keeper?"). I assume he's talking about there being no example of
an author of any Bible book talking to the reader in first person
as Nephi does.

"First Person is not used in either the Old or New Testaments."

Try Revelation 22:8, 1:9....

Don't believe everything a Ph.D. tells you.

Maybe it is a Ph.D. In General Studies.

The Holiest of Molies Wrote:
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> Maybe it is a Ph.D. In General Studies.

"...DH was listening to a man who had received a PHD in Theology."

Nope.

Though it could have been "Theology of Hobbits" or something...? :)

I've got him beat.

I knew it was false when I saw my first missionary approaching.

"I am the way, the truth, and the light.."?

"I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem..."? (Ecclesiastes 1:12)

THUS I CONFOUND HIM!

In addition to a myriad of problems innate to the book of mormon itself, absence of Middle Eastern DNA in indigenous, native populations here in the Americas is the final nail in the moron coffin! I must reiterate, “There is no genetic, linguistic, or cultural evidence to substantiate the claim that the Mongoloid, native American Indians are descended from Semitic Israelites.”

Another obvious sham titled the Book of Abraham has been reviewed by renown non mormon Egyptologists who have universally stated that the so-called, ancient writings of Abraham translated by mormon charlatan jo smith jr. is a blatant fraud! Robert Ritner Professor of Egyptian studies at the University of Chicago/others have exposed jo smith jr. as a fraud to the entire world!

mormon believers in the absurd should take off their blinders/ stop looking foolish! Undoubtedly, the jo smith smith jr. mormon CULT is nothing more than a well documented fraud! Don't belittle yourselves, be a willing stooge/ultimate victim any longer! It's past time to cut ties with this God Monger CON that will steal everything from you - including your dignity! As Always, tnurg (GRUNT)

I have heard so many tbm's say the BOM couldn't have been written by Joseph Smith so the church must be true. I also have noticed that these tbm's really know little to nothing about church history. I have decided that it is time to compile a list of evidences that effectively refute the BOM as a literal history and strip it of any claim to divine origin. It isn't good enough to just know it is hogwash for myself, I have to be able to back up my belief with documented facts. I am reluctant to do much un-missionary work lest it gets back to my tbm Dw.

Felix Wrote:
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> I have heard so many tbm's say the BOM couldn't
> have been written by Joseph Smith so the church
> must be true.

That's a rather egregious case of the fallacy of the excluded
middle. They are basically saying either Joseph Smith wrote the
Book of Mormon or the Church is true. Ignoring the possiblity
that someone other than JS could have written the Book of
Mormon.

BTW, I contend, along with B. H. Roberts, that JS COULD have
written the BOM. So in my view BOTH of their premises are false:

(1) If Joseph Smith didn't write the Book of Mormon, then the
Church is true. (false premise--classic example of a logical fallacy.)

(2) Joseph Smith couldn't have written the Book of Mormon (Also
a false premise).

If something is actually true and legit, you don't tell people to use faith to "know" it.

You don't claim the evidence is being hidden (god took the plates up to heaven) or insist that God is behind all the mystery.

That's a give away that there is no substance behind the claims.

Stupid humans.

I have so much faith in what you just said....beyond a shadow of a doubt even.