Found a page on FB called "Progressive Mormons" that is full of cherry-picked quotes from sketchy, once-unpopular GA's like Hugh Brown, spouting their 1960's liberal Mormon stuff. Basically, the page tries to find any quote or teaching that will allow Mormons to engage in "progressive politics" and social justice activities, while still remaining active. Women's rights issues, illegal immigration, civil rights and race issues, revisionist history and memory holing, gaslighting, quotes from currently serving or recent GA's who have made unorthodox or revisionist comments about social and church issues, etc.

He accepts no disagreement, and no uncomfortable facts, and censors immediately. He wants an echo chamber.

His page would fit well with an unofficial program of softening up the members to accept the new teachings we all know are coming, such as new interpretations of the Book of Mormon and other scriptures as books of parables and spiritual tales that are not necessarily based on real history, and new teachings that modern Mo's might find more comfortable in the information age. Kind of a fully-deniable, unofficial social media back door to revisionism and propaganda for the new 21st century LDS Church. I have to wonder if he is being paid by some forward looking, younger generation GA's?



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You really cant be progressive with liberal thoughts and remain in the church.

The church is super conservative republicanist, and it rubs you the wrong way just by walking in the building.

Just look at all of us on this board... 99% of us are liberals, 99% of us are pro LGBT+, 99% of us UTTERLY HATE Trump, etc...

... and we are ex-Mormons.

To teach people the idea of liberalism will only lead them to leaving the church in time... and that's a good thing on both counts!!!

:)

I suppose pressure to conform or risk being shunned is a characteristic of most social gatherings or groups. :) And we all have felt the tension of increased polarization in our current world geopolitical situation. Regardless of the situation here on RFM, I think we can all hope that increased polarization will be an operative factor in the breakdown of the LDS church. :)

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> Just look at all of us on this board... 99% of us
> are liberals, 99% of us are pro LGBT+, 99% of us
> UTTERLY HATE Trump, etc...

Finally I made it as a 1-percenter!

... Got away with it because he was a state Attorney General. Trump was far from my first choice with plenty of candidates in both major parties that I preferred. But the Dem's decided to throw away the 2016 election so we got Trump. Now their hatefulness is backfiring and most likely Trump will be re elected in 2020 as they look like a bunch of anti American hate monsters that want to censor history like the Tabliban and ISIS. I voted for Kerry and Obama. But unless the Dem's change to being pro America (I.e. Defend free speech of everyone and support freedom generally) they will never get my vote again.

People who voted for drumpf because they hate Clinton makes me laugh. They are their own worst enemies.

But will they ever be liberal on the doctrine/policy/inspired principle of tithing? Or the special underwear???



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I doubt they will ever bend on tithing, hah! Underwear, that's been revised many times and is always on the table.

In my opinion all this revisionary stuff by the higher ups is fear based. They are afraid of truth ,

They are also afraid of losing their generational cash cow. They will morph as much as they think they need to (as they always have), to protect their massive incomes. I don't know if this man who runs this FB page will be in danger of church discipline, or if he will be tolerated because he is serving the agenda of desperate younger GA's who see that the future lies in massive revision. But we all can see that the revision is in rapid progress, as more and more people walk out, never to return. Witness the "statement" of solidarity with the LGBTQ festival in Utah, such a thing would have been unthinkable until very recently.

It's all about money and power--always has been. Doctrine is temporary window dressing in the store front. Real Mormonism is a cabin in Park City and a $900,000 Audi Security 8 in Salt Lake City. Regular members are dumb serfs who pay the temple tax.

Ooooohhh, yeeaaahhhhh...

Wow, I'm one of the 1% minority. I should feel priveleged.

yes, you should! and I stand with you whatever your orientation or affiliation, as I feel all should be accepted and respected here.

"I'm liberal to a degree, I want everyone to be free", Zimmy (BD)

1% crew checking in ~

I disagree witht the statement that the mormon church is and always has been run by conservative Republicans. A few examples to illustrate:

In the late 1800, the mormon church officially supported its own party: the people's party. The Deseret News was founded as the official newpaper of the party.

After the people's party was disbanded, the church urged members to join the major national parties.

B.H. Robert was elected to the U.S. Congress as a Democrat, the the congress refused to allow him in because if the church's practice of polygamy.

Hugh Nibley, the nost famous mormon apologist of all time wad an active democratic and environmentalist. He looked to church history to argue against both capitalism and socialism in favor of the law of consecration.

I wonder why they re-published "Profiles of a Prophet" by H B Brown, it shows that no modern (claimed) prophet meets the (their own) description...

interesting, yes I wonder about that also... Brown was round-filed by the time of the presidency of JFS.



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"There are those in the Church who speak of themselves as
liberals who, as one of our former presidents has said, “read by
the lamp of their own conceit.” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine
[Deseret Book Co., 1939], p. 373.) One time I asked one of our
Church educational leaders how he would define a liberal in the
Church. He answered in one sentence: 'A liberal in the Church is
merely one who does not have a testimony.'”
--President Harold B. Lee, General Conference, April, 4, 1971

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1971/06/the-iron-rod?lang=eng

I assume Lee didn't like HB Brown either.

Maybe this whole tradition vs revision issue will become a hot war at COB, possibly even leading to profound schism. That would be fun!

They'd better figure out where they really want to officially stand, before they lose so many members that the money pile won't tolerate division or depletion below the red line. They can only juggle and spin both sides so long before people get disgusted and so frustrated they quit. If the schism shows up at the ward level, the house will not stand. Traditional bishop pisses off the liberals, liberal bishop pisses off the conservatives. Big trouble in River (or SL) City!

Another 1% guy here. I bet there's more than that, but most don't feel welcome here. We're made out to be haters, or anti- whatever.

Kind of like I was treated at church when I dared question things.

To be accepted here, you have to be a statist and a feminist.

I'm actually libertarian and believe in equality.

Oh my, one of the most fundamental teachings of our glorious gospel is that God is unchanging. This group of so called progressives are so full of bullcrap. They must be reported to the Media and Brethren to have this matter settled.

Either the world must accept the full peculiar glorious gospel fully or they will reject it. There is no middle ground. And surely. When they see for themselves whether it's very sensible/constant or a fickle delusional fraud.

The quote from Harold B Lee posted in this thread was certainly clear. However, the church wants to pretend to be open to differing opinions, so it needs to allow some people to call themselves progressives.

I do think we need to be careful on this site not to suggest everyone here is a Liberal, or even 99% are Liberals.

I think many people when they 1st leave the church go to Liberal politics as a reaction. It's the reaction of going toward the opposite in order escape repression.

Those of us who've been out for a while realize there are fanatics on both sides, and there is NOT a particular ideology that's the answer.

I prefer to look at each issue on it's merits. And I look at candidates CHARACTER not what they claim to be, NOR what they say. Stands on Issues are just Campaign promises, and not reality. Politicians usually say what they think you want to hear.

Anytime we claim to be 99% Liberals here, we push away anyone who might be trying to leave who has a more moderate view.

So if anyone here is tempted to criticize another person's views, please don't use put-downs, insults, or unkindness.

I've been driven off LDS boards (long ago) because of intolerance and personal attacks from republicans. And I've been driven off of an exmo site because of the same reason. So I feel what you are saying, and agree.

Yep, I'm definitely one of those 1% ers and proud of it! What else you got?!