Never have I seen such and angry, hypocritical bunch of people then when I stumbled upon this sight. Birds of a feather come to mind. We see in this day many who will flock together (in this case using a blog) in order to placate each other's angry emotions and justify their choices. Your choices are you own consequence. Own them. Do not sit up in your condescending thrown looking down on those who do not believe the path you have chosen. I've never seen so many lied and deceitful use of misinformation in an attempt to drag others with you. It amazes me. I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm sure you will delete this because it contradicts your incessant to feel validated.

Debunk one "lie" on here. Good luck

Huh? Is this a parody like honest TBM i cant tell.

This is the result of enthusiastic ignorance believing itself to be cutting edge intelligence.

1. I would love an explanation as to how he, she or it 'stumbled' about this site.

2. "Birds of a Feather" exists as a aphorism because it expresses a trenchant truth. Where would ExMos hang out, if not with their ilk? I think mormons do it, too! But they do it righteously, while we do it for nefarious reasons?

3. I don't sit on a 'thrown', looking down. I sit in my office chair wearing an electric blue leisure suit with frayed cuffs, tying to find a porn site that will pay me to watch it. Hope springs eternal!!!

4. Just after my first divorce, I briefly dated Miss Information of 1977. Naturally, I misinformed her of my intentions, and so we got along just great until she ran out of money. Hey, it's only natural that a person is fond of his particular misinformation. Just look at how fiercely mormons cling to the notion that JS was faithful to Emma!

5. I hope you now see that deleting something as precious as your post would be counter productive to the dream many of us have: a world where no one has to pay to go to their brand of heaven.

Thank you, True Believer, for being the face of mormondumb.



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This might be the first time i have seen an actual believer on this site. This could turn into something very memorable if its aloud to keep going.

Believer posts are actually quite common, but they get nuked almost immediately.

If you watch the forum all day long, you will see one pop up time to time, but then *poof* gone.

Gotcha

"...sight..."

It's "site," genius.

"...in this day..."

What day is that? Friday?

"...thrown..."

It's "throne," genius.

It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you exhibit such a poor ability to read/write, and clearly haven't thought through anything you irrationally "believe."

Instead of getting insults "off your chest," why don't you go learn something instead? That might be useful.

This was probably dictated... and the translator got the wrong word.

I can't believe such a smart choice of thoughts (he does sound intelligent) would misspell simple words.

I have this problem with dictation all the time.

It's just getting so much easier to speak into your phone/computer than to actually type out the words.

yeppers Wrote:
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> This was probably dictated... and the translator
> got the wrong word.

I won't make that assumption, but even if that's the case my point remains.

If you don't bother to check your words after dictating, you're being just as lazy as spelling them wrong in the first place.
Being lazy doesn't indicate intelligence -- it indicates careless thought processes.

You do have a valid point.

We will let this one run. Sigh.... Brain dead TBM.

Our very own, TBM Poster Child! I'm LOVIN' this!!

Oh, thank you, truebeliever! You just made my day!!

truebeliever, you are welcome back any time. You remind us of why we left.

As koriwhore would say "how many wives did joseph smith have?"

At the last count, JSJr had 35 wives!

AND, he did nothing in accordance to D&C 132 either. JSJr did whatever he darn well pleased!

Talk about hypocrites? JSJr was the biggest one of all!

I rest my case thanks google.

"I'm sure you will delete this because it contradicts your incessant to feel validated."

Learn to write a complete sentence, "incessant to feel validated" is not a complete thought. You need to use the word with a noun. Incessant is an adjective, it modifies a noun.



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I don't know if this is real or a troll post (someone posing as a TBM to stir the pot).

Either way, it's not worth the dissertation to explain our position.

"Do not sit up in your condescending thrown looking down on those who do not believe the path you have chosen."

You do realize the same could be said of you, right?

Well.....probably not.

Welcome, truebeliever. As I've said to other believers who post here, "As you are, we once were; as we are, you may become." Permit me to make a few observations related to your post.

1. When I was a "true believer," I never would have looked at this board. In fact, I avoided it even after I began doubting the church's truth claims. Because that's what "true believers" are counseled by church leaders to do. So maybe you're not as much as a "true believer" as you think.

2. After I determined the church is not true, I did spend some time reading on this board. And you know what I found out? Most of the people are caring, kind and compassionate. Even those who take strong atheist, Christian, political and other positions generally treat each other respectfully.

3. I learned why a lot of people on this board are angry: they feel betrayed by the church they loved and the leaders they trusted. And some of them have suffered greatly from the church's teachings, which turned out not to have come from God at all. Imagine the young man who spent hours telling the guy in the mirror he hated him because he tried and tried to overcome feelings of same-sex attraction but couldn't do it. Imagine the people (I am one of them) who suffered financially from paying tithing when they could barely afford to pay for food and shelter.

4. As I have observed before, it really wasn't all that prophetic for Joseph Smith to proclaim that people who leave the church will be angry. How do you feel when you find out you have been cheated at a car dealership or other business? Or how would you feel if you accidentally found out your spouse had been cheating on you for years? That's how it felt for me to find out the church's prophets, seers and revelators had been hiding information from me that -- had I known it -- I never would have joined the church in the first place.

5. Yes, it's true that a lot of ex-Mormons hang out on a site called "exmormon.org." Imagine that. You know the old saying: "Birds of a feather come to mind." Or something along those lines.

6. I look forward to seeing your post when you come back some day and say, "Sorry I judged all of you. Turns out you were right." Until then, all the best to you.

"As you are, we once were; as we are, you may become."


+1000!!

Thank you!

We will probably never hear from 'truebeliever' again..
well not under the same name anyhow..


But for crying out loud.. go (back) to school! Please!?

I am Dutch and English is not my first language, but I do know the difference between thrown and throne to just name one...

good grief...
go back to church and practice your secret handshakes will ya?

And in the meantime practice those handshakes truebeliever you may get them wrong at heavens gate. Still cant believe that secret combination crap now that is big time hypocrisy.



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I heard from an extremely reliable source that a 'double fist bump' is going to replace one of the secret hand shakes. The church is all about being relevant!!

...because one fist bump just isn't holy enough.

One fist bump, with "exploding fingers" might be okay, but a single, lone fist bump? Surely that's of the devil!

Hahahaha when i die im using the the fist bump with exploding fingers for sure.

No sir god is pretty hip these days so ive been told by secret i mean sacred sources.

That is why Elohim is replacing all signs and tokens with only one hand sign.

OK, everyone, this is the new SACRED sign for the TSCC: raise your hand high and bend all fingers back EXCEPT the middle one.

Hahaha oh sh#t we better get right on top of that. *scramble scramble scramble* cant get locked out of the celestial kingdom. I also heard part of the password was changed from "strength in the loins to strength in the boner". It came from one of the top 15 with a second annointing so its got to be true.

LOL!

Do I detect the spirit of contention? No fair, Stan is supposed to be OUR friend.

"Never have I seen such and [sic] angry, hypocritical bunch of people then [sic] when I stumbled upon this sight [sic]."

Angry, yes. Hypocrites? Tell us how, oh inspired one who can't write.

"We see in this day many who will flock together (in this case using a blog)"

This isn't a blog, genius. "We see in this day"? Another trite Mormon cliché. Do you have any original thoughts?

"Your choices are you [sic] own consequence. Own them."

We do own them. Every day. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

"Do not sit up in your condescending thrown [sic]"

Clearly you don't watch Game of Throwns, er, Thrones. How can a throne be condescending? It's only a fancy chair and doesn't have feelings.

"I've never seen so many lied [sic] and deceitful use of misinformation"

Okay, truebeliever. Name one. Name one lie or piece of misinformation. Back it up or STFU.

"I'm sure you will delete this because it contradicts your incessant [sic] to feel validated."

No, it's more fun pointing out what a fucking idiot you are. By the time we're done, you'll wish it had been deleted. Mormon asshat.

Now go run away, little one.

Irony.

truebeliever: Take that pointing,accusing finger of yours and turn it right back at yourself. Do some research and then I predict that you will be back here, only more fully awake.

Remember: when you point a finger at others, there are 4 more pointing back at YOU!.

Man i really wanted to see him or her battle.

truebeliever, I am so furious with people who don't leave this church. I don’t know whether furious is a good apostolic word. [massive laughter] But I am. What on earth kind of conviction is that? What kind of patty-cake, taffy-pulled experiences is that to keep you in?

Know reely, I don't sit on sum thrown like a bird with feathers, and any valadayshuns I git are used at the parking garage. So pleese don't condensate me with your own plati2udes. I'm glad that I am on a diferent path than the won ewe you have chosen to stay on. Butt, thanks for informayshioning me of the airers of my ways. I have to go now, gots me smore sinin too dew.

Hahahaha and ha. And I thought the OP was funny! You just took all the tension out of a hard day. Consider your work done, you condensating thrown sitter ewe.

(still laughing)

It's not exactly polite to ask, but did you hear a banjo during Sunbeep's second paragraph? Or was that just me being a lout?

Oh I heard IT all right, but I would say lout still applies. I think I heard some jugs being played as well and something being swigged from a Mason jar. But I probably shouldn't say, so I won't.

As you can see, these have been posted here for a long time. These are the direct links to lds.org, your churches own website.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1180178


LDS Org Essays

We will be adding to this list as they are released.

Mountain Meadows Massacre
http://www.lds.org/topics/mountain-meadows-massacre

Book of Mormon and DNA Studies
https://www.lds.org/topics/book-of-mormon-and-dna-studies

Spalding Manuscript
http://www.lds.org/topics/spaulding-manuscript

First Vision Accounts
http://www.lds.org/topics/first-vision-accounts

Are Mormons Christian?
http://www.lds.org/topics/christians

Book of Mormon Translation
http://www.lds.org/topics/book-of-mormon-translation

Race and the Priesthood
http://www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood

Plural Marriage and Families in Early Utah
http://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-and-families-in-early-utah

Plural Marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints?lang=eng

Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith%27s_wives
Sealed to wife, Emma, 28 May 1843


The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage
https://www.lds.org/topics/the-manifesto-and-the-end-of-plural-marriage?lang=eng

Becoming Like God
https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng

Book of Abraham
https://www.lds.org/topics/translation-and-historicity-of-the-book-of-abraham?lang=eng

Also, you may find this of use https://www.grammarly.com

Hey Truebeliver, I have a check sitting here for $1000 if you can prove ANYTHING in the book of Mormon that actually happened in the Americas -. This should be a very simple slam dunk. Here I will help you:
Book of Mormon; 1 Nephi 12 ... I beheld multitudes of people, yea, even as it were in number as many as the sand of the sea.
Go ahead...put up or STFU

I disagree with you. This site is for venting otherwise suppressed feelings. Of course there will be radicals! Otherwise there is the same suppressed lifestyle that so many are trying to escape. Even though we sometimes radically disagree with one another it is still better than the oppression from which we come. If there is hypocrisy here we must remember that from whence we come sanctimonious, hypocritical, bigotry is commonplace and from that we desire to escape.

Amen

I'm just checking in on this site after a break. It's been a while since I've been here. I've been out of the church for over 15 years.

It used to be that reading a post like this one from you, truebeliever, would bother me. I'd feel the need to address your accusations, or defend my beliefs, or the character of people on this site, some who I've known for many years.

But I don't feel that need anymore. I just see you as a true believer who has been shaken by what you read. And I get it. It's not easy to have your beliefs criticized. But it really IS okay for other people to have different beliefs. It's not personal against you. They just have different knowledge and experience that has caused them to change their point of view.

A wise life coach I like to read says that when somebody else really REALLY bothers you, it's because there is something like yourself in them that you can't accept. She calls it "You spot it, you got it" principle.

Example: you are angry, but you don't allow yourself to express it. You are always nice and polite, even when people treat you badly. So you are outraged when other people allow themselves to be angry. That's not ALLOWED!

The key to this is that anger IS allowed. You've just been suppressing your own for far too long.

Peace out.

Remember these words, truebeliever: we believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law! like it or not, freedom of speech is a civil right of everyone in the US and thus the law of the land! Period! No arguments allowed! Because only a FOOL would argue with the facts!

Everyone has the right to state what they believe as well as share the facts of things with everyone on the site.

Also, many times, what you complain about most in others, you yourself are most guilty of as well.

BEFORE complaining about anything, take the stick out of your own eye before telling someone else to take a twig out of theirs! (I know Jesus said this a lot better than I did in the Bible.)

As I recall, I once saw a BY quote memory =?) where he said (like) 'it's better to try to be good than not to; some may call U a hypocrite for trying, but so what if you're not perfect in all things?'

I agree



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It's ok to be angry,"truebeliever", sometimes anger is a catalyst for change. At least in my case it was and is. However, misplaced anger can lead to all sorts of bad things. Misplaced anger due to being misled by misinformation. Well thats a recipe for disaster! I was angry too when I found out the truth that was deliberately hid from me by those in authority in church. When I discovered a couple of inconvenient truths, it was amazing how much truth kept coming forth. Like a rock uncut by human hands that rolls forth and keeps getting bigger and bigger until it covers the whole earth. No, it's not the gospel taught by the church thatI'm talking about "truebeliever"; what I'm talking about is the truth, and may it cover the whole earth... stay around lurk awhile, but please don't insult us or call us names. We've had enough abuse while in TSSC.

not to the degree that the OP says, but yes this board does have hypocrisy. To say otherwise would be untruthful.

I find it amusing that the response is similar to how TBMs defend their faith. Hmmm.....

I think hypocrisy is a basic human trait.

It's so easy to spot the inconsistency in the behavior vs. professed beliefs in others. We are often blind to our own inconsistencies, and when do we see it, we make excuses for it.

But some people are certainly worse hypocrites than others. I think those people with perfectionistic ideals more easily find fault in others, while overlooking their own. I think it's the nature of strict religions to promote hypocrisy, because people can't live up to their own supposedly perfect ideals. They can't deal with their failure, so they focus on the faults of others to make themselves feel better.

I really wanted to see truebeliever defend fantasy i am so disappointed.

Right now, all I feel about true believer is sorrow. I remember what it was like to be in so much alternating numbness and pain, but not understanding why. I hope true believer keeps reading.

If you feel you have the truth, then why do the things we say bother you in the least? Mormons are very thin-skinned -- so much for their "testimonies." Your average Catholic or mainstream Protestant is comfortable with the fact that not everyone believes as they do.

Your belief belongs to you. Own that.

The least the troll could do would be to grow a pair of balls and respond to some of the replies. Typical TBM troll.

Huh? How does one "stumble" upon this sight (site)? You're planning your Sunday School lesson and google the word mormon and you accidentally click on "recovery from mormonism"? And then you accidentally read 100 posts just to be sure that when you chastise (in your 2nd grade grammar) the group you stumbled on you can say you've never seen such angry hypocritical people (obviously you never saw any news reports of Trump rallies).

No. I hold to my old theory that true believers can NEVER come to this site and read a bunch of posts. Just like I cannot read mindless mormon crap. They come here and start reading and start getting a sick feeling because they've pulled back the supposed wizard's curtain just a crack and saw maybe a toe that might belong to a real man. It scares them. It sickens them to even let their brains entertain the thought that they've been conned. And the more posts they read, the more toes they see. So they pull it back shut tight and blame the munchkins for trying to trick them. THAT is why they have a sick feeling. It's Munchkin Satan. So they yell at all the munchkins on their throwns (thrones) and storm out. They go back to Kansas where all the rest of their ilk (who came through the Kansas education system), will reassure them that if they pray hard enough they will get a good feeling about the wizard. So there. Good feelings trump anything you think might be masquerading as a fact. Always.