It was rather sad, and pathetic. The younger companion appeared to have just unlatched from his mother's breast, and his senior was walking several paces ahead.
I felt really bad for the both.
It was really sad.

I agree it is pretty sad to watch.

Pretty cool if I would just invited over to help with whatever. They are really good people. I was really saddened that they are so disconnected with reality.

Yeeep reality is a bitch when they realize they have to come back to it eventually.

Next time you start to feel sorry for a missionary do some research as to the average age of a private on the beaches of Normandy or the jungles of Vietnam. No matter how many excuses you offer up, they are adults and have made this choice.

What kind of crap view of life is this?

Hahaha a very sullen one for sure.

I saw 3 of them walking along a couple of weeks ago and was going to U turn, hand them a twenty,and say "Treat yourself at 31 Flavors! And look up CES letter.com!"

Too bad I didn't get turned around in time--they disappeared somewhere.

So *I* went to 31 Flavors because, you know, now I was headed that way...

My aunt used to do that. She lived in Provo and saw the new recruits all the time. She'd walk up to them and say, "Your mom asked me to give this to you" while handing them a five (it was some time ago. She had five sons, and believed what went around came around.



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Well done i probably would have done the same.

They need to work up the spunk and courage to do what's best.

I wish i had more courage at that age i did leave but i never stood my ground against it to any mormon like i should have. I actually returned back to the church at 29 thinking they were right and i wrong.

Senior comps. are expected yo put on "the Hustle", make it appear busy & productive to Greenies...

I work near LAX, and on my evening commute last week, I saw a van full of newly arrived missionaries on the freeway, so they had just gotten off the plane from SLC. I felt a little sorry for them since they really should be starting their freshman year of college, but are now part of the unpaid sales force for the cult.

What is it with ExMos infantalizing grown ass adults?
18 is plenty old enough to put a gun in their hands and send them off to war to fight our battles, why treat them like they're infants incapable of answering adult questions like, "Why do you sing the praises of a sexual predator like Joseph's Myth, who'd be sharing a jail cell with Warren Jeffs if he were alive today?"

Some of us are polite. I'm not saying it's a better approach, compared to yours, since there really is no finally arbiter as to is 'right' and 'wrong', but that's just the way some of us are.

But it's not to say that I wouldn't enjoy watching you ream some of the missionaries I've met...

As you well know, you don't take an 18 year old and put a rifle in their hand and by magic have a soldier.

The process for making a soldier is actually remarkably similar to making a missionary. Both soldiers and missionaries are indoctrinated.

My opinion is based on having been both. I didn't choose to be a missionary at 17 (in Europe it's always been 18 for a mission). It was an obligation, a duty, and came at the end of 17 years of indoctrination. By the end of it I was done though.

My 19yo daughter and 20yo DIL are both in the Army defending our country. They are both plenty tough enough to handle tough questions. Why is it ExMos see grown ass adults as "kids"?

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> Why is it ExMos see grown ass adults as "kids"?

I think we see them as kids because some of them were brought up in a very nazi mormon home, and they are extremely innocent, some of them even feel bad just for listening to disney music.
And also because they were prepared to become missionaries and to believe in mormonism from the time of their birth, and they know that if they refuse to go they will be seen as scum.
And not all of them are bad, for example, people of my ward spoke crap about me when I left the cult but when I told one missionary that I was going to leave the cult, he nearly cried.
So I wouldn't put all TBM's in a bag, are there scum in TSCC? Of course there are, but there are also good people who are just brainwashed by a creepy cult called mormonism.



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I just dont think coddling grown ass adults does anything but enable them to continue going through their entitled lives attached to their Mothers tits and dependent upon their Daddy's wallet.
When I was their age I had already hitch hiked all ovwr 3 continents on my own and survived a couple of near death experience.
How I wish people were not too polite to adk me tough, honest questions on my mission or the first 40 yrs of my life.

Holy sh#t koriwhore i had no idea you served a mission so you definitely know what the f#ck you are talking about to the missionaries god d@mn. Its not like you were a two year convert or something of that nature.

I cant tell if you are just being facetious or not, but yeah I served a mission, which is why I engage missionaries in real, adult, conversations every chance I get. I treat them like adults, not kids.
What's ironic to me is that the more technilogically advanced we become, the longer it takes to raise a child to adulthood. These "Kids" grew up with Google at their fingertips, yet they act like they just fell out of the womb yesterday and haven't got a clue about the product they're out selling full time.
Not only that, when you share factual information about Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's perverted sexual predation, they will do ANYthing to avoid the subject. I can't tell you the number of times Ive heard Mormons tell me they dont care if JS or BY were child rapists, theyre going to keep on singing their praises anyways.
Even though I drink the Kool-Aid and was a true believing Mormon I never would have disregarded the fact that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were sexual predators if somebody showed me the evidence and proved it. I would have looked into it I would have researched it. But everybody was way too polite for the first forty years of my life to bring up the fact that I was singing the Praises of a sexual predator. To me if you know that and you continue to sing the Praises of a sexual predator that makes you a worshipper of a sexual predator. Is there any wonder that Mormons Overlook so much sexual abuse in the Mormon church. I think this is what enables all the sexual abuse that I've witnessed in the Mormon church three times in my life. Ultimately that's why I left because my shelf broke due to witnessing all the sexual abuse that was being an abled by people being polite and speaking no evil see no evil hearing no evil when there was evil all around them which they enabled by being too polite.

I was being serious i never would have guessed you served a mission by your videos. Usually people that are in the religion 40 years never get out and have strong convictions against it except a small few.

Interesting, but lots of ExMos have served missions. Most RxMo men I know served missions. I think ExMos like me escaped by following the evidence to its only real, logical, conclusion, its a fraud.
After you reach that conclusion, the only way back to belief is to lie through your teeth, to yourself and everybody else.
Id rather not live than lie to myself and especially my kids.
The moment my Bishop threatened me with excommunication for asking him my kids questions, I knew it was not only a fraud, but an abusive CULT I couldnt escape fast enough from, with my family in tow.



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I never served so i dont know what goes on in that arena. I was pretty much suppressed and rejected for not going on a mission. I just thought that it would be way harder for a missionary to walk away then someone that didnt go. I battled a couple missionaries the other day maybe a week ago and i dont think i even made a dent.

I wasn't overprotective with them I just invited them to have a meal some days, because in my ward there are about 40 (or less) active members, so they usually have to cook themselves and they are young adults not chefs.
Even though they knew I doubted about the priesthood powers (because I told them), we could share a meal respecting each other.
And also I, as an active member, used to make some questions not about the doctrine or the church history but about the mormon stereotypical actions such as marry ASAP, have a lot of children, etc. And also shared my view of them, I told one missionary from Idaho that have children to only bring souls to this world was stupid and that marry a woman without knowing her well was also pretty stupid because it was an eternal subject, so I have to choose well.
Sometimes they shared my views and sometimes not but we had never argued about it.
Now there are sisters in my ward, and they never come home trying to make me or mom go back to the cult.

"I just dont think coddling grown ass adults does anything but enable them to continue going through their entitled lives attached to their Mothers tits and dependent upon their Daddy's wallet."

Thanks Koriwhore. Couldn't agree more. " Are you a man or are you a mouse?" is what I used to hear.

The one shining moment of my mission was a guy who asked a tough question and made me gulp and think for the first time ever. He asked the right way. Wise man. If you're old enough to go, you are old enough to not be pampered anymore or kept in embryo by Mormonism which they think is the best way to control you---forever. How many forty year old TBMs do I know who are still like that?

That is the age when you should start facing the tough stuff, flexing your muscles and your mind and dive into life head first.

A good, proper response to missionaries is a mirror reflection of how they approach you. The attitude and temperament and expectation and outlook of missionaries varies greatly. On one extreme some are miserable. On the other extreme some are completely bought into the MORmON scheme and live to make others miserable as their gratification. They feel entitled to take over the world as MORmONISM is their justification. I shred those kinds of people/ missionaries, just as they deserve it. I am all for giving a harder edge to those that want to use a hard edge to me.

Others that are struggling, I acknowledge their problem with what they are trying to cope with. They know that a mission is not like they were told by others, the know that they have been lied to. they need to gain the power to acknowledge it, and realize that EVERYTHING else in MORmONISM is lie as well.

Either way, when we get to the bottom line, I never relent on the basic fact that MORmONISM is toxic garbage when it is all factored out.

Of course if they treat me like crap, I will destroy their testimony with the truth.
I'm good but not stupid.

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> Why is it ExMos
> see grown ass adults as "kids"?

Uhhhhhh could it be because the grown ass adults really were kids/ minors just a few weeks / months prior and the technical new "adults" still pretty much look and act the same as they did a few weeks / months earlier when they were still technically kids/minors ???

exactly! Who cares if koriwhore hitchhiked (stupidly) at that age? Many of these kids are naieve and could use a kind word.

Having higher expectations gives them something to aim for and live up to.

If we carried children around and never let them try to walk, they'd be stunted.

That's what happens when we treat adults like children.

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> 18 is plenty old enough to put a gun in their
> hands and send them off to war to fight our
> battles, why treat them like they're infants
> incapable of answering adult questions like, "Why
> do you sing the praises of a sexual predator like
> Joseph's Myth, who'd be sharing a jail cell with
> Warren Jeffs if he were alive today?"


They are incapable of genuinely answering that question and those kinds of questions. I DO think that those kinds of questions should be asked over and over until the genuine answers do start to come. I am on the same page with you on that.

I agree and would have really appreciated it if people wete not always too GD "polite" to ask the obvious, setious questions facing MORmONs these days, like,
"How can you possibly really believe Mormon scriptures are the "Word of God" when they still say God cursed two whole races with dark skin because of the sins of their fathers, long after DNA science debunked those racist 19th Century myths that were used to justify enslaving Africans and committing genocide against natives? And "How is discriminating against blacks, or children of gay couples, for the sins of their fathers at all Christian?"

I saw two missionaries a few weeks ago. I was walking on a lovely path through an arboretum, alongside a stream with ducks and egrets. The two missionaries (wearing white shirts and name tags) just stood next to the path and stared down it. They looked tired and sad. I didn't talk to them.

Doesn't Exactly mesh with: Field is WHITE & ready to harvest, 'eh?

They are the son of their mother, father, auntie boys.
It was so depressing. I had a strong woman in my life.
The kids are so depressing, hopefully someone will give them a purpose for living, other than purpose for collection of new tithe payments.

That's an individual responsibility. We each develop our own purpose.

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> That's an individual responsibility. We each
> develop our own purpose.

Amen to that.
Trouble is, some of these mishies don't know that. They don't even know it's *possible.* Perhaps more than anything else, that's what they need to find out...

It worked for me. :)

My son should have gone on a mission two years ago at age 18 but instead he joined the army (we resigned from the church shortly after he was baptized at age 8). He's a natural leader, and probably would have ended up as a ZL if he'd been a missionary.

Instead, he is stationed as an Honor Guard in Washington D.C. and his official title is "Escort to the President." He has protected two Presidents in his young life, and he is RISING, rising, rising in rank and high-level security clearance positions in the military.

My son was home last week on leave. His arms look like tree trunks, his body is a tank, and he excels in every physical, academic, and military mark the army throws at him.

He's a MAN. And the Mormon church could not have done that for him.

;o)

Thanks for sharing. I love it!

You are justly proud of your son!
Thank you for raising such a great citizen!

Cool. My 19yo daughter is in Army instead of being on a Mormon mission. She is doing top secret work in a country that poses oyr greatest existential threat and I support what she is doing 100%. You would too if you knew what she was doing to neutralize that threat.
I couldn't be more opposed to her serving a Mor.on mission.

If one comp was trailing behind the other, they're probably not getting along. One on the many difficult adjustments for me as a missionary was being CONSTANTLY next to my companion all day long for month long stretches. The only time I didn't have to look at my companions face was when she used the bathroom or was sleeping. It was hell for me. When I was stuck with someone I just didn't click with it made the missionary experience another kind of hell. There was no escape - no taking a walk alone to get some space.

I had a comp who always had to walk slightly ahead of me. If I sped up to be more aligned with her, she sped up also. It was really aggravating for me. I finally just slowed way down and trailed her. It was apparent that I didn't like being around her and I was transferred for being the one with problems. The mission was such an unnatural, crazy environment in so many ways.

It's what they do. If my son was waddling behind a pretentious ass, I would say something. The BKP quote? It's really sad that their parents don't really know what they pay the Lord to do for their children