Utah GOP Official Says It Was A 'Grave Mistake' Giving Women The Right To Vote
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Ursulafaw writes ...
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Davis County, Utah GOP precinct chair Casey Fisher posted on Facebook Sunday, saying that it was a “grave mistake” to give voting rights to “others not head of household,” which is being plainly interpreted to mean men. Fisher was bombarded with angry comments, prompting him to delete the post and delete his Facebook account. However, his GOP county chairwoman, Teena Horlacher, came to his defense. Salt Lake Tribune on Facebook:

“The sentiment was along the lines of what our Founding Fathers believed in,” she said. “Not necessarily that men only have the vote, that was not necessarily what he was saying.” She later added that, “I certainly don’t agree with that sentiment.”

“He’s not trying to say that only men should vote, that’s not what he’s saying,” she added. “And that’s as far as I’m going to go.”

Fisher has not clarified what he meant by the comment, apologized, or responded publicly.


Fisher is not the first GOP official to publicly admit the party’s goal of suppressing voters — especially those that tend to vote for Democratic candidates — although Republicans tend to keep those comments behind closed doors. In April 2016, Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI), slipped up and claimed in a television interview that he believed Wisconsin’s photo ID law would make it more difficult for Democrat Hillary Clinton to win the state in 2016.

And he’s not the only Republican to express skepticism about the Nineteenth Amendment, which since 1920 has prohibited the federal government from denying the right to vote to citizens of the United States on the basis of sex. ThinkProgress reported in November that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, a conservative Republican, once co-authored a textbook that was critical of the women’s suffrage movement.

It’s sobering to think that there are a lot of GOP Neanderthals that believe that a woman shouldn’t even be allowed to vote, let alone be President. Just one more insight into our great cultural divide, which unfortunately appears to be getting greater, not narrower."

If your a citizen of legal age you are allowed to vote. If your not then counting your vote is a grave mistake.

Voting from the grave is a mistake?

Yes its a mistake.

But voting "for" the grave isn't....like writing in Elvis or Jesus as your candidate :)

I know the states has a different system, but here in the UK voters must be registered on the electoral roll, which is used as proof of person by creditors. Not on the roll at the right address? No credit, bank account, insurance, employment, new flat, in fact, no participation in modern life. We - the electorate - generally trust the electoral roll system of voting.

One obvious drawback that has presented itself since ditgital technology is that it is now a 'back door way' to have the population voluntarily register with the government to get that new smart phone contract.

Does this windbag believe only one vote per household should be allowed? If so, what about joint tenancies - who would get their name first and all voting rights? Would a couple have to work out between themselves who was first and second named individual or would there be a standard approach, including same sex couples - no discrimination now. It would also mean adult children still at home would be unable to get involved in politics and there would be no incentive to become politically aware prematurely.

Imagining what one house = one vote rather than one adult = one vote would mean makes me envision a future of single-room dwellings filled with tenants eighteen years plus and everyone spending their lives 'intentionally' single so they do not 'miss out' on any public rights or benefits. Marxism by any other name.

The late Paul Weirich, while he was chair of the Heritage Foundation back in the 1980s, once told an audience that "I don't want everybody to have the right to vote." He was very much afraid that the conservative religious agenda backed by that organization would lose if everybody were allowed to vote on it.

And the liberal talkshow host, Thom Hartmann, has noted several times (though I haven't sourced this) that in 1939, shortly before the start of WWII, Mussolini, as head of the Fascist government in Italy, replaced individual representation in the Italian parliament with corporate representation. If that became the case in the U.S., the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would officially have at least one House seat based on its corporate ownership, a rather frightening thought.

agreed - frightening, indeed.

Worse that people fought and bled (some died) for the right to vote through a secret ballot (working men under 35 included) and 'elected officials' would wish to undo their sacrifice. Tyranny of the highest order, but, sadly, a lot of youth do not get involved in politics nor vote, sometimes never voting at all, feeling it is of no concern of theirs, ie, feeling insignificant.

British politics has shown that people become more conservative as they age, but my guess for this is the moving of the centre ground over the generations. People who considered themselves liberal or socialist in their youth do not really change their politics, but politics moves left (or right) so they appear to have 'extreme' views to younger generations. Wait a couple more generations and the centre ground will swing back in the other direction and a new generation of 'older voters' will be accused of extremist views by the newest generation of voters.

I have noticed that religion permeates everything in the states in a way it does not this side of the pond. Ultimately, democracy is something people 'do' and must protect - if one thinks democracy 'happens' to people without any need for active participation from the population, then one is liable to lose it to tyranny.

That guy sounds like a real idiot.

Even Mormons love their right to vote. Including women.

Stupid man. Made stupider by the fact that it was women, not just men, who elected him into office.

He can be un-elected come time for his term renewal. Let's hope the people of Utah have long-term memory enough to not forget what a dufus he is.

That was very insightful, Amyjo.
However, since you're a woman, this tool is free to ignore your insight. 'Cause you shouldn't be talking politics and such, you should be home barefoot and pregnant. Leave the insights to the head-of-household men.

<grin>

"Even Mormons love their right to vote. Including women."

Not really. Idaho and Utah rank a pathetic 37th and 39th, respectively, in the US for voter turnout.

Well then it must be the mormons voting judging by who holds most of the offices, even here in Idaho.

Guess maybe the rest of the population got tired of trying to fight the mormon vote.

I can see why you could conclude that, but the facts are that Salt Lake County (the one county where mormons don't dominate) is so heavily gerrymandered, that mormons from other counties win the office. In fact, in heavily mormon dominated areas like Provo and Orem, voter participation in often less that 30% but of that 30%, 90+ % are mormon. Many Utah mormons don't vote because they know that their white male mormon republican will win anyway.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Even Mormons love their right to vote. Including
> women.
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So in my parent's household, my dad has always told my mom how to vote. And when my sisters each turned 18 my dad literally filled out their ballots for them! I moved out at 18, so he never had the chance to steal my vote...but I found all that out once my younger sisters were turning 18. I was shocked and appalled. Still am. In my opinion, my dad doing that is basically the same thing in a roundabout way. I can't help but wonder if there are many other TBM households that operate the same way. If not filling out ballots of adult children that still live at home, than at least 'counseling' every household voter to vote a certain way (by the 'head of household', ie. Priesthood holder).

Mysoginy at its finest.

That is shameful that your father would do that to the women in his household.

My dad didn't try pulling that on me or my mom. Or my step-mom as I recall.

We were allowed our independence to vote our conscience and free will. The way it is meant to be.

I'd be shocked and appalled too at that behavior. You'd think he'd want to teach his daughters and wife respect for their autonomy and ability to make their own decisions. It's basically like he has been stealing their votes for himself.

There ought to be a law against that.

When you are at the polls, there are people standing around to make sure that each person goes into the voting booth alone (unless accompanied by a small child) so that nobody can force you to vote in a way you don't want to.

I have voted in SEVERAL States, and I have never seen it happen that one adult can barge into the booth with another and tell them how to vote.

I can see this manipulation going on if someone voted absentee, but not at the actual polling place.

If this isn't illegal, it sure as Hades ought to be.

catnip Wrote:
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> When you are at the polls, there are people
> standing around to make sure that each person goes
> into the voting booth alone (unless accompanied by
> a small child) so that nobody can force you to
> vote in a way you don't want to.
>
> I have voted in SEVERAL States, and I have never
> seen it happen that one adult can barge into the
> booth with another and tell them how to vote.
>
> I can see this manipulation going on if someone
> voted absentee, but not at the actual polling
> place.
>
> If this isn't illegal, it sure as Hades ought to
> be.


Well he would fill out their sample ballots ahead of time, so on Election Day they would each take their filled out sample ballots to the polling place and transfer the choices onto the real ballot. "The thinking has been done."

That is like voluntarily abdicating adulthood.

I am beyond speechless.

No, on election day they voted for whomever they wished.

If it was a grave mistake to allow me to vote, it must be equally mistaken to force me to pay taxes.

They can take away my right to vote and refund me every dime I have paid them over my lifetime in federal state and local taxes and we can call it even.

Like that would happen.....

As I recall, it was Brigham Young who first gave women the right to vote in Utah in 1870. So is Casey Fisher speaking in opposition to BY now? Is Casey saying that BY was merely acting as a man, not a prophet? And therefore BY led the church astray?

Perhaps his stake prez would like to know about Casey's struggle with apostate thoughts…

The right to vote? Heck, teaching them to read was a mistake. It gave them 'ideas' and allowed them to have bank accounts and own property and think they were somehow equal to men.

Allowing them to wear shoes didn't help. Why would a woman need shoes if she's just going to stay inside, doing housework and having babies. Maybe a pair of clogs for gardening, but shoes? I say, give a woman a pair of shoes and the next thing she'll want is another pair, and then a closet to put them in.

And of course, allowing women to speak when they aren't spoken to is...

Wait, Margaret Atwood, put down the gun! Just put down the gun and we'll talk about this like rational human beings. I'm not prejudiced against women, I'm just asking questions and exploring issues. If you'll just point that gun away we can...

[BANG!]

the Biggest Fraud in 'voter fraud' is the suggestion that it's anywhere near widespread or even a marginal factor in elections.

the Actual Biggest Fraud is thru gerrymandering & selective drawing of precinct & district boundaries.

Finally, the SCOUS (USSC) has recognized this & is onboard to controlling-eliminating it, YIPEE!



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This Fisher guy sounds like someone who doesn't like the way his wife voted.

"And the liberal talkshow host, Thom Hartmann, has noted several times (though I haven't sourced this) that in 1939, shortly before the start of WWII, Mussolini, as head of the Fascist government in Italy, replaced individual representation in the Italian parliament with corporate representation. If that became the case in the U.S., the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would officially have at least one House seat based on its corporate ownership, a rather frightening thought."


Hate to say it, but corporations run our government already. As seen on a 60 Minutes episode, corporate lobbyists write regulations for congress to approve. Often with restrictions that cut out the little guy, but the big corporations can afford them.

Also, most voters vote for corporations. Conservatives vote for wars that benefit defense contractors. Liberals vote for welfare that enriches the food corporations, the healthcare corporations, the education industry, and on and on.

All in the name of helping the poor and fighting for freedom.

Simple democracy is dangerous, as 51% of the people can vote to steal from the other 49%. This is our current system. We once had a Republic, meaning you couldn't vote for programs not approved in the Constitution.

But we no longer follow that, because it is considered antiquated and too restrictive. Corporations want to manipulate us, and do-gooders always think their program or war is worth stealing for.

My preference would be a requirement for voters to pass a test on understanding of the limits of the Constitution. Of course, this will never happen, because people don't want limits on government, regardless of how much debt we have (or printing of money to pay for all the goodies, which causes inflation and increased cost of living, which hurts the poor).

We vote for leaders who take an oath to the Constitution, yet voters know nothing about it. Candidates just promise us jobs and healthcare and education and housing and food and war and that is all we need to know to vote for them. Apparently it is all free, and there are no negative consequences.

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to W. Jarvis, 1820.

“The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions”
― Daniel Webster