Or be a person of great importance. Is this bullsh#t? They make you feel like you will just amount to dogsh#t in this world no matter what you do without the whole god thing. Today was pretty sh#tty.

Yes, they do try to do that.

Keep in mind, though, that the vast majority of people who've ever lived in this world did so without any religion that exists today. Some had other religions, some had none. And they not only "made it," millions to billions of them made long-lasting contributions to the good of humanity.

Religion doesn't push you up, it holds you back.

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
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> Yes, they do try to do that.
>
> Keep in mind, though, that the vast majority of
> people who've ever lived in this world did so
> without any religion that exists today. Some had
> other religions, some had none. And they not only
> "made it," millions to billions of them made
> long-lasting contributions to the good of
> humanity.
>
> Religion doesn't push you up, it holds you back.

It definitely held me back.

And people are still grossly unhappy, if not more so. No one has found a decent replacement for the positive aspects of religion although some try through sports and politics to fill the gap.

Speaking for myself, I don't see any actual "positive aspects of religion," nor any need to replace any such thing.

I consider the supposed self-reporting of religious people to be "more happy" than non-religious people to be nothing short of complete bullshit. It's a farce and a face -- a mask they wear publicly, claiming to be "happier" than other people, when in reality they're exactly like other people -- they've just been taught to pretend they're not.

If some farcical, fake front of "happy" is your goal in life, then religion can teach you how to be that way.

Me, I prefer honesty. And "satisfaction." Letting the real, actual moments of "happiness" come my way now and then, and savoring them when they do, instead of turning off my brain and pretending to be "happy" all the time.

Why anyone would want to replace that fake religious "happiness," I can't imagine...

ificouldhietokolob Wrote:
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> Speaking for myself, I don't see any actual
> "positive aspects of religion," nor any need to
> replace any such thing.
>
> I consider the supposed self-reporting of
> religious people to be "more happy" than
> non-religious people to be nothing short of
> complete bullshit. It's a farce and a face -- a
> mask they wear publicly, claiming to be "happier"
> than other people, when in reality they're exactly
> like other people -- they've just been taught to
> pretend they're not.
>
> If some farcical, fake front of "happy" is your
> goal in life, then religion can teach you how to
> be that way.
>
> Me, I prefer honesty. And "satisfaction."
> Letting the real, actual moments of "happiness"
> come my way now and then, and savoring them when
> they do, instead of turning off my brain and
> pretending to be "happy" all the time.
>
> Why anyone would want to replace that fake
> religious "happiness," I can't imagine...

Well i can definitely notice real emotions more now than i could in religion which is what i wanted. I didn't want a false fantasy fake happiness anymore. I desired reality even if it seemed more miserable. It just sucks that religion got a hold of so many people and they think they have to do weird rituals every week in order to hang out with each other.

I ,for one, am PROFOUNDLY happier without religion in my life!!
I’m also a MUCH better human being. More ethical, more altruistic, more concerned about the welfare of the world and all its inhabitants than I EVER was as a “believer”.
So I call bullshit on your arrogance.

gettinreal Wrote:
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> I ,for one, am PROFOUNDLY happier without religion
> in my life!!
> I’m also a MUCH better human being. More
> ethical, more altruistic, more concerned about the
> welfare of the world and all its inhabitants than
> I EVER was as a “believer”.
> So I call bullshit on your arrogance.

I am a better human being as well without religion. I was a bastard in religion and a complete hypocrite for pretending.

I don't always agree with SusieQ#1 but I think I will channel her for you and say, "Take your power back."

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> I don't always agree with SusieQ#1 but I think I
> will channel her for you and say, "Take your power
> back."

I don't feel i ever had my own power in the first place. How do i get it back if i never had it? They called the shots since my birth.

You could look up SusieQ#1's posts. I think she got it from a book about the four something or others.

The basic gist is don't let other people define you for yourself. You have the power and control over you.

My take is that you have this control biologically. I don't think you need any woo hoo, spiritual, magic etc. to take back control of your life as a living breathing human being.

You just have to cultivate and condition yourself to not be so susceptible to the influences of others in your life.

It is hard as Hell. I'm living with Mormons. I know.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> You could look up SusieQ#1's posts. I think she
> got it from a book about the four something or
> others.
>
> The basic gist is don't let other people define
> you for yourself. You have the power and control
> over you.
>
> My take is that you have this control
> biologically. I don't think you need any woo hoo,
> spiritual, magic etc. to take back control of your
> life as a living breathing human being.
>
> You just have to cultivate and condition yourself
> to not be so susceptible to the influences of
> others in your life.
>
> It is hard as Hell. I'm living with Mormons. I
> know.

It is hard as f#ck i live on a street of mormons and i know they see me as a waste of flesh. Adam could have been a somebody like a bishop they think to themselves. I feel cornered and pidgeon-holed all the time by them. Trying to find a cheaper place right now and get off this d@mn street from hell. It takes a lot of constant mental focus to not let their sh#t effect you or their guilt trips. You have to be totally offensive in life to get your power and mind back. So used to shutting my mind off and coasting and hiding from those crazy ritual people. I feel like i am fighting mk-ultra programming everyday. Can't relax for two seconds.

Badassadam1 Wrote:
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>I feel
> like i am fighting mk-ultra programming everyday.
> Can't relax for two seconds.


I set boundaries for myself. I've faced a lot of backlash. But these boundaries help me survive.

I don't support LDSism in anyway, shape, or form. I only support my family in performances, fun things, real friends. I always let the Mormons know what they are dealing with on my plate and that they are drawing on an empty well if they are looking for anything other than someone interested in them - not their religion.

DUDE, you are speaking the truth badass.

My dad told me the other day, in his best prophetic warning voice, that something would go horribly wrong in my life since I'm leaving the church. This was after a conversation he had with me about all the non-members he knows that are alcoholics and drug addicts.

Holy sh*t, I didn't realize that the 16 million mormons on earth (out of billions of people) were the only ones that have good lives and do something important in life. I also didn't realize that all the billions of non-mormons are ALL alcoholics and drug addicts and cheaters and get shat on for work to pay the bills.

Oh wait, they aren't like that. Hell, there are mormons that ARE like that.

Screw those people badass, we can have a good life without the damn shame and hypocrisy.

mightybuffalo Wrote:
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> DUDE, you are speaking the truth badass.
>
> My dad told me the other day, in his best
> prophetic warning voice, that something would go
> horribly wrong in my life since I'm leaving the
> church. This was after a conversation he had with
> me about all the non-members he knows that are
> alcoholics and drug addicts.
>
> Holy sh*t, I didn't realize that the 16 million
> mormons on earth (out of billions of people) were
> the only ones that have good lives and do
> something important in life. I also didn't realize
> that all the billions of non-mormons are ALL
> alcoholics and drug addicts and cheaters and get
> shat on for work to pay the bills.
>
> Oh wait, they aren't like that. Hell, there are
> mormons that ARE like that.
>
> Screw those people badass, we can have a good life
> without the damn shame and hypocrisy.

I try to speak truth if i can but part of my mind is still brainwashed with their truth. So i have their bullsh#t truth in my head that they programmed in and i have what i think is the real truth based off of my experiences. I have two truths in my head, it is f#cked what they tried to put in me. My mind still can't comprehend or grasp that it was surrounded by cult members throughout most of life. That's what i have been dealing with lately, the shock that my family were and are cult members and i had no idea. Scary sh#t, it explains why i got so f#cked up though at least. F#ck 'em i gotta push myself to the next level and reach true mental freedom.

Badassadam1 Wrote:

> F#ck 'em i gotta push myself to the next
> level and reach true mental freedom.

Amen bro. In the same boat we got this.

F#ck yea we do. It's either all in or nothing, can't hold back or let them f#ck with us any longer. The two man army of the badass and the mightybuffalo haha.

These are Mormon THREATS!

Adam's father and Mightybuffalo's father are trying to scare you into coming back to the fold.

Mormon threats made me angry! The bishopric, the stake presidency (I had a stake calling) my home teachers, and the teachers of the gospel essential class--all men--came over to my house, late at night, unexpectedly, in groups of two's and three's, and threatened me!

They said that I would fail in life. My children would fail in life. I would fail financially (I made more money than most of them). I was recovering from an illness at the time, and they threatened that I would get sicker! My children and I escorted two of the groups out the door! I was so proud of my kids!

I told them all, in a loud voice, "You are threatening me! You have no authority to tell God what to do."

Why would I ever feel that I need people like these Mormons in my life, in order to make it?

The Mormon cult never gave us any Love, Truth, acceptance, uplifting thoughts, real friendship, opportunities to serve, peace, hope, spirituality, in the first place. We always had that, all along.

Look inside of yourself--maybe you already have what you need. The Mormon church certainly can't give you what you need.

You are getting rid of something that takes away from you. You're getting rid of a negative, and the result is a positive.

Yes i do feel threatened by my father. The fight to break free of him has been going on since i was a teen. The religion and my father combined has made trying to live a real life a living hell and very hard. I think everybody feels threatened after they leave. They think they have god and i have f#cking no god to back me up f#cking ever and it pisses me the f#ck off, why can't i get a f#cking god on my side for f#cking once instead of being tortured every day with pain. F#ck i am pissed off, they never help for real and allow me to heal and live a real f#cking life. They have to be nosey and condescending all the f#cking time with anything i say. Everything that comes out of my mouth and what i do offends their fragile god. F#ck, i can't take their bullsh#t anymore. They are in f#cking fantasyland. Sorry kind of went on a tangent there but they never back off and they always have to stalk or spy on me constantly. I can't keep living this way i have to move.

They want you to believe all kinds of things, but only you can control your thoughts. No one else has that power.

Maybe someone has already made this suggestion to you, but in case not, I am going to go for it.

I believe that Mormonism is a cult and those who study cults like Steven Hassan maintain that you cannot know that you are in a cult by someone telling you this is the case. Instead, a person can only know this by studying about what a cult is, the mind control used, and gaining an insight into how powerful they are.

There are sites on the internet, books, etc.to search this out. I believe by doing this studying you will see what you have been up against all your life....a very strong, lying, controlling CULT. (cults control a person's behavior, information, thought, and emotions).

When I knew and realized that Mormonism is the MormonCult, it made me able to better understand what I was up against and had been up against. It enabled me big time. The MormonCult is a cult that is more subtle than some (compared say to the Jim Jones or Scientology), but this does not make it ANY less dangerous and lethal.

I hope this helps.



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presleynfactsrock Wrote:
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> Maybe someone has already made this suggestion to
> you, but in case not, I am going to go for it.
>
> I believe that Mormonism is a cult and those who
> study cults like Steven Hassan maintain that you
> cannot know that you are in a cult by someone
> telling you this is the case. Instead, a person
> can only know this by studying about what a cult
> is, the mind control used, and gaining an insight
> into how powerful they are.
>
> There are sites on the internet, books, etc.to
> search this out. I believe by doing this studying
> you will see what you have been up against all
> your life....a very strong, lying, controlling
> CULT. (cults control a person's behavior,
> information, thought, and emotions).
>
> When I knew and realized that Mormonism is the
> MormonCult, it made me able to better understand
> what I was up against and had been up against. It
> enabled me big time. The MormonCult is a cult
> that is more subtle than some (compared say to the
> Jim Jones or Scientology), but this does not make
> it ANY less dangerous and lethal.
>
> I hope this helps.

This does help a lot. Even though i am told and i can verify cult, my mind is still not accepting it totally i guess. I feel like i have been up against this invisible and unbeatable thing for most of my life. Just because someone is told they are in a cult and they verify it does not mean that their mind is free of all the programmed sh#t that controls them. I can see that it is a cult but my mind still is brainwashed basically partially. I don't know how to explain it. Everything that was done to you in that organization was programmed very well over and over and over. Takes a long time to get the brain to function normally.

And it is more subtle compared to other cults which makes it very dangerous.

Mormons are the most self-righteous people on the planet. I used to think no, not ALL of them. But I recently came to the conclusion that the ones that seem accepting and capable of unconditional love are just way better and more skilled at hiding the fact that they are just as evil as the rest. This is just speaking from my own experience, of course.

I wish you could move out of Idaho! I have an exmo friend that is planning on moving from CA to Idaho in a few years for cheaper housing, etc., to which my nevermo hubby said to him, 'don't you know that Idaho is full of Mormons?' LOL

bluebutterfly Wrote:
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> Mormons are the most self-righteous people on the
> planet. I used to think no, not ALL of them. But I
> recently came to the conclusion that the ones that
> seem accepting and capable of unconditional love
> are just way better and more skilled at hiding the
> fact that they are just as evil as the rest. This
> is just speaking from my own experience, of
> course.
>
> I wish you could move out of Idaho! I have an exmo
> friend that is planning on moving from CA to Idaho
> in a few years for cheaper housing, etc., to which
> my nevermo hubby said to him, 'don't you know that
> Idaho is full of Mormons?' LOL

Yes idaho is not the place to go to get away from mormons, it's taken me about five years to find some cool non-mormon people to chill with. There is a REASON why it is cheap here to live and meth is a huge problem here also, and it's cold as f#ck for at least 6 months of the year and the suicide rate is ridiculous, i think we are #5 in the country now, mormonism or being surrounded by mormons constantly causes mental illness without any doubt. It's like the bermuda triangle in this town. Once you are here you can never leave. But you are right about one thing i think there are a lot more bad people underneath all the layers than people think. Like stab you in the back if they had the opportunity and marry your wife type of thing. That organization turns normal people into messed up people faster than anything i have ever seen. F#ck i have been going to therapy for almost two years to try to convince myself that i may not be evil.

For me, all of the changes have been positive ones. I like myself a lot better, I go easier on myself, I’m more accepting of human diversity and I have more time to myself. It’s wonderful that Sunday is just a day now.

Actually it's just the opposite... religion cannont make it without people. No people, no money.

D@mn that's good.

The day I finally admitted to my TBM husband that I was out, I immediately lost my fear of dying. I also found peace in giving up prayer. I was a constant prayer person. The power of facing every day head on was so freeing. I was driving myself crazy hoping some outside force was going to deliver me from life's bumps.

I also find it better to deal with people knowing they might fail me instead of them putting on a fake Mormon face and acting like they care.

emmahailyes Wrote:
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> The day I finally admitted to my TBM husband that
> I was out, I immediately lost my fear of dying. I
> also found peace in giving up prayer. I was a
> constant prayer person. The power of facing every
> day head on was so freeing. I was driving myself
> crazy hoping some outside force was going to
> deliver me from life's bumps.
>
> I also find it better to deal with people knowing
> they might fail me instead of them putting on a
> fake Mormon face and acting like they care.

It is very freeing to not feel forced to pray or pray at all. It is evil to force people to worship against their will in my opinion. I still have to teach myself that no jesus is going to help me out of no where hence all the specialists and doctors i go to. And i would rather people hate me and be real.