One of the most deceitful and misleading of the old FARMS crowd is hopefully now facing his maker:

http://interpreterfoundation.org/john-tvedtnes/

John Tvetnes told me that the Church had the Hill Cumorah studied twice, with ground-penetrating radar, looking for the stone box and all the Nephite armor, and that both times they found NOTHING! Not even one buried Nephite. NOTHING....


RPackham Wrote:
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> One of the most deceitful and misleading of the
> old FARMS crowd is hopefully now facing his
> maker:
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> http://interpreterfoundation.org/john-tvedtnes/

With all of that fantastic and relevant education, how could he have been so stupid as to convert to Mormonism?

Really, what do you think was his motivation for Mormoning up?

It’s easier to fool smart people. Once their minds are made up, they can find all kinds of ways to rationalize their ideas. But when their shelf breaks, it crashes hard.

He converted at the age of 8 when his parents moved to SLC. He did all his original education in Utah and then affiliated himself with BYU -- especially with BYU in Jerusalem. It seemed like he was uniquely interested in the BOM stories and background and tried to make the BOM work as something real. We all know it's a liars game, but he made a life's work of it.

According to the article, he was baptized shortly before his 9th
birthday when his parents converted to Mormonism after they
moved to SLC.

Wow! What an echo chamber.

http://interpreterfoundation.org/

One example of JT's academic dishonesty was a video which showed several apologists deffendiing BoM against critics. JT took on the claim that the BoM spoke of horses when there were no horses in America at BoM times. He read the passage in 2 Nephi that said the people had horses. Then he pointed out that the passage was simply a quote from Isaiah, and OF COURSE the people he was talking about had horses, but that was in the Old World! QED! Implied: the BoM does not mention American horses.

Of course he did not deal with the other half dozen BoM passages mentioning horses that clearly refer to Nephites and Jaredites.

Daniel Peterson was just as silly on that video. Against the claim that there were no wheeled vehicles in ancient America, he showed a photo of a Mexican historical site with a road, and pointed out that there were wagon tracks on the road. He didn't actually claim that he could prove they were pre-columbian tracks - he just left the faithful viewer to make that conclusion.

Talk about lying in wait to deceive!

I also recall Tvedtnes explaining why some of Joseph Smith's prophecies failed to come true: they had not yet been "canonized" (a term he kept from his Catholic upbringing).



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As far as I remember, Daniel Peterson was raised in the LDS church, but John Tvedtnes was not. With the kind of education that he had got, he could have made out great at another church. He must have figured out that Mormonism could not be true. Why did he stay?

"Daniel Peterson was raised in the LDS church, but John Tvedtnes was not."

From the Obituary.

"John was born to a Roman Catholic family on 26 January 1941 in Mandan, North Dakota. Introduced to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when his family moved to Salt Lake City, Utah, he was baptized on 29 December 1949."


Sounds like his parents were converted/duped and he got the typical indoctrination and got baptised at 8 years old.