https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/09/15/tribune-columnist-robert/

It appears Kirby crossed the line this time.

Oh, poop~~

My secret to avoiding #MeToo is to treat all women like they were avid golfers.

That, and my phony business cards...

It certainly changed my attitude towards Kirby.

Yeah, there is that...

It wasn't a big pedestal, but now that he's off it, I'm going to put it out for the trash...

You and me both, elderolddog.

I really have loved Kirby through the years and I have known him personally. And I'll admit I will look forward to more of his wit in the future.

However, I was seriously disappointed in his behavior at the Sunstone thing and I'm glad they gave him a suspension to reinforce the standards of the newspaper and bring that kind of behavior to light to condemn it. The funny thing to me is that his treating women like prostitutes and humiliating them in public is my ex-husband's M.O. exactly. In fact, I think my ex probably treats his prostitutes (and there are many of them) better than he treats the average woman. And believe it or not, he and Kirby were good friends for a few years in high school.

This article is from last April, honest...

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/kirby/2018/04/15/kirby-yes-i-sold-weed-out-of-my-mormon-church-library-but-let-me-explain/

It sure took them a while--and probably some heat from elsewhere--for them to take action.

Or was it his remarks to the "lady victim" that were the problem?

Kirby used to associate with your ex-husband (a fact I knew, of course)? What does that say about you?

#I don't buy "guilt by association" arguments, especially since Kirby's and your ex's "friendship" occurred when they were sophomores and juniors in high school



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I'm certainly not accusing him of guilt by association. Just musing on the kind of behavior I'd expect to see from my ex, not Kirby. Yeah, a stretch to connect them. But my brain sure went there.

I really don't have a problem with the weed balm or him giving that woman an edible, in fact I have a little problem with her saying she felt forced to take it. But his using it to embarrass her later sure took me back in time. After an Elder's Quorum party in my early married days, I had women come up to me who had been appalled by an extremely humiliating comment my ex made about me for all to hear. They wanted to say they were sorry and make sure I was ok. I remember saying that it's not unexpected and that I should know better than to drag him to any kind of social function.

So I'm overly sensitive to that kind of stuff and glad when a man is called out on it. So many things that we put up with 40+ years ago just should not remotely be put up with anymore.

NormaRae Wrote:
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> So many
> things that we put up with 40+ years ago just
> should not remotely be put up with anymore.

I was a child 40+ years ago. I'm old enough to have seen way too much of it and young enough to have been embarrassed by it.

Men and women today who use bullying, coercive, and aggressive behaviors I believe are less tolerated. Sexism in this behavior is even less tolerated. We can hope things are getting better.

That whole thing could have been so avoided. I am surprised that Kirby so thoroughly stumbled over his own dick. I had him pegged for having more sense. I am let down.

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> I am
> surprised that Kirby so thoroughly stumbled over
> his own dick.

I have to admit I was as well. He married a gay couple. I assumed he was less traditional dick in his treatment of people.

But he does have big balls. Maybe he tripped over those.

I hope all these situations turn out well for Everyone.

we are currently in the Steep part of a Learning Curve on abusing others, especially assault against vulnerable others.

What I've seen in this matter, RK is saying he wants to learn & grow thru correcting past mistakes & being more sensitive & considerate in his life-future

I hope the same for Myself & all others.



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I'm not a fan and never have been. That said, I'm sorry this happened. I hope Kendrick feels supported and I hope they sort it all out.

If he truly dosed her with a narcotic without her consent he needs to face more than a three month suspension.

Perhaps a criminal charge is in order?

Going to offer us some actual scientific evidence for that bit of hornswaggle? Sounds to me like something they might teach in PH Meeting (and honest, I'm as opposed to non-medical pot use as anyone).

#Just E-mailed Kirb a letter of support with a blood oath of silence on any reply he made to me

Did you read the article? He asked her if she wanted some edible cannabis to calm her nerves. She was fine with that. He then made a joke about it in the symposium session. That embarrassed her.

He wrote a column a few months ago about giving the ward librarian some for her rheumatism pain. She was nervous but grateful. Don't know if he asked her permission to relate the story first before writing the column? He might have. Telling embarrassing stories is kind of what he does.



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So where did Kirby get the "edible cannabis" from since it is not legal in Utah.

He uses it for arthritis according one of his columns. Where he gets it, I dont know.

It's legal in a good chunk of the US, including the two states on either side of Utah.

So Kirby was breaking the law.

His God's yes.

MJ is NOT a narcotic. There is no known lethal dose as no one has died from a MJ overdose.

Somebody uses pot, is reported (by his gf who "thinks she's doing the right thing"), and commits suicide...

I'll give you the name of the friend who suffered that fate if need be...

As for "marijuana maintenance"in 12-Step programs, the overwhelming consensus is it leads to relapse, and a lot of "returns" to active alcohol or narcotic use are fatal.

#some people have trouble with truth and facts

Cabbie, IMO in that case the problem was not the pot, but the girlfriend.

I won't go into marijuana and 12-step programs. But I'm not going to demonize pot. Marijuana use is roughly analogous to alcohol use in terms of the buzz that you get. In my observation it does not lead to the use of harder drugs any more than alcohol use does. I do think it's unwise to use it daily unless it is a medical necessity.

IMO by far the biggest drug abuse problem in American culture is the opioid epidemic.

Also, claiming pot is responsible for the suicide is nonsense, since pot does not alter your sense of self or consciousness or whatever you want to call it to an extent that it alone is responsible for a suicide. You might as well hold the gun responsible for the death if he died by a self inflicted gunshot or a car responsible for a vehicular manslaughter.

People are the ones responsible for suicide. That isn’t to say there aren’t other contributing factors when someone decides to take their own life, but short of a profound psychosis or debaliting mental affliction like schizophrenia, people are the ones responsible for their own suicides.

Don’t demonize a drug that is essentially harmless- especially compared to alcohol, which is directly responsible for diseases like cirrhosis- in order to advance the idea that its responsible for suicide.

I don’t know the circumstances of the person to which you refer but I would consider it insulting to ignore all the other things that drive someone to suicide- mental anguish, lost jobs, depression, ruined relationships, etc- and say ‘it was the pot’. That’s putting a terrible tragedy in a one-dimensional box, and diminishing their pain that lead up to the decision to take their life.

See Pinsky, Dr. Drew...

BTW, I just got a personal e-mail from Kirby, and given that, Dr. Drew's credentials, and my own, I'd say the wisest move for you is to pick up what few chips you have left and vacate your seat at this poker table.

SL Cabbie Wrote:
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> See Pinsky, Dr. Drew...
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> BTW, I just got a personal e-mail from Kirby, and
> given that, Dr. Drew's credentials, and my own,
> I'd say the wisest move for you is to pick up what
> few chips you have left and vacate your seat at
> this poker table.

Since Drew “Dr Death” Pinsky has killed so many of patients on national television, perhaps his credentials and non incarceration should be questioned.

So tell us, how's that "controlled drinking experiment" going?

And you're going to stick to your story about having a PhD?

Here's "Gheco logic," folks: Dr. Pinsky is treating a client for alcoholism--defined by the American Medical Association as a disease for over 50 years--and that client commits suicide or dies as the result of a relapse.

Dr. Pinsky murdered them, right?

And the 12-Step Program that has saved my life--and roughly a half-dozen others who come to this site I'm aware of--is a "death cult," of course... (I hope I don't need a sarcasm tag for this one)

Seriously, I had a "relapse into some old Christianity" and reported your post, but to borrow a term from the "Clambake Crowd," I guess you're "fair game."

Give me an R... Give me an O...

that it could actually help with the opioid problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/29/health/medical-marijuana-opioids/index.html

I was able to cut my opoid use way down when I started using MMJ for my pain. The MMJ didn't cut the pain down to nothing, but at least dulled it enough that I could sleep.

I hated taking the narcotic. It often would make me sick to my stomach even after taking the stomach meds before it.

That’s a good point, opioid use is an epidemic. When states legalize pot, opioid deaths drop by about 15%. So from a standpoint of saving lives, MJ legalization is a no brainer.

Not surprised. The powers that be were just waiting for him to push the envelope far enough that he could be silenced.

According to the article, it seems to me that Kirby behaved in a completely inappropriate manner and that the SLT is taking appropriate steps.

I believe he is so far from supporting his church (marijuana) that he is now incredible and not credible at the same time.

Am I surprised he is the way he is? No. He supports he church's patriarchal grip. His patriarchal gripes hold less weight now I hope.

Praise his Jesus. In the name of being a rock star Mormon like their tattooed woman I'm sure the Mormon circus people will still be popular and Kirby will still earn a living barking for it.

So, in effect, this was payback for Kirby being critical of a story?

Yeah, I know, Kirby also acted overbearing . He was trying to be funny with a co-worker and it backfired with her.

I can see her point. But it was hardly a "Me Too" situation.

I agree. Did he make a lewd comment about pretending she was an escort? Yes. Was it probably stupid to offer a woman edibles? Yes, but she accepted, and whether he ‘pressured’ her is kind of irrelevant since it’s not like he had a gun to her head; ultimately she did it if her own volition.

I have a lot less respect for Kirby since he acted like a juvenile dipshit, and one would think he would know better than to act so carelessly in such times. I have no sympathy for the consequences he is facing. Frankly he’s lucky he still has a job.

But yea, this is hardly tantamount to a #MeToo moment. Many men act like clueless boobs every day, it doesn’t make them predators.

Yeah, he acted with all the maturity of your average 13-year-old. IMO a part of it may be that the Mormon church often seems to suppress mature behavior. So Kirby is acting like a juvenile about the MJ in particular.

If he had made the "escort" comment to me I would have told him to stuff it in no uncertain terms.

I don't think the financial consequences will be too dire. He's 65, so therefore eligible to file for Social Security if he hasn't already. And he's been a successful columnist and journalist for decades, so presumably he has all his financial ducks in a row. Basically this is a three month sabbatical for him. But hopefully it will send a message.



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Agreed.

So who's going to write his column while he's suspended?

Are there enough quotes from Oaks, Bednar and Holland to run for 3 months?

This is a great example of just how weird Mormon culture is.

A million dissertations could be done on this.

How so?

I don't know your position, so this may be off point. But offering MJ to someone you don't know seems questionable, and both the announcement that she'd ingested weed and the sexual joke are widely out of bounds.

Maybe Kirby was a little high at the time. Or subconsciously he wanted to get out of his crazy Mormon environment. So he hit the “eject” button.

Thanks. It might be a little more acceptable if he knew her and could judge her reaction to his joking..

Oh for Goodness Sake! The woman playing the Mormon Card going along to get along, trusting, yada yada. At what point does she stop and think and say no, thank you? Then complaining about her choices? You see, I'm not big on women victims when they know they have choices....

But, I could be completely wrong.... it could happen!

I'm sure she's kicking herself for caving to pressure and not shutting that crap right down.

That said, he shouldn't have put her in that position.

She couldn't win. If she'd expressed any anger over the comment or the pressure to take the edible, she'd be labeled a b*tch.

May I ask why my question of whether Kirby knew the womqn in advance and the answer that he didbt were deleted? I couldnt get into the article and I dont see anything inappropriate about asking. Making suggestive comments might be a Littleton more understandable if they were friends.

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> May I ask why my question of whether Kirby knew
> the womqn in advance and the answer that he didbt
> were deleted? I couldnt get into the article and I
> dont see anything inappropriate about asking.
> Making suggestive comments might be a Littleton
> more understandable if they were friends.

As a woman, she knew when to stop playing along, in my view.

I asked if anyone knew if Kirby and the woman were frienda. I couldn't get into the article and thought that if they were friends it might explain him joking that way with her.You might say something to a friend that you wouldn't say to a stranger. Elder Old Dog said they apparently had just met at the conference. Both my question and the answer disappeared and I am wondering why. I can't imagine that anyone would find a simple question and answer inappropriate in any way.

From the article --

"Kendrick and Kirby were scheduled to speak together at a session of the Sunstone Symposium, held at the Mountain America Expo Center in Sandy. In her post, Kendrick said that shortly after she was introduced to Kirby, he told her, 'Let’s pretend I picked you up from an escort service and we’ll walk over to that table over there together and sit down and chat.'”

Thanks.

I don't understand why he would make the escort comment. Surpassingly strange.

Agreed. Poor taste and not funny especially as he didn't know her and had no idea how she would react. Telling people she was high was uncalled for too.

bona dea:

Your post was positioned in a sub-queue which was hidden.

Had nothing to do with the content of your post.

Thanks. I couldnt imagine that either my post or the answer were in violation of the rules

"Playing along"? Countless women wronged and blamed through history. Men's turn to be asked "What the hell were you thinking?"

And thus MeToo. At last.

If a person can't even imagine being caught by surprise, not knowing how to respond, being slow to react, feeling embarrassed, ashamed, daunted by the other party's position, influence, strength then they are fortunate to have escaped unscathed from the predations of the vicious, the cruel or the just downright clueless.

And Kendrick mentioned in the article why she reacted as she did ("going along", not uttering an immediate no).

She shouldn't have been put in the position of needing to have to say no. Or of being made fun of and embarrassed by something that was initiated by the other person.



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I'd be pissed I was outed in front of a group.


If I played along with his lil game I wouldn't consider myself a victim.

There are two different issues here.

So Kirby is suspended from the Tribune without pay....
that hurts.

And next will the Bishop put him on "probation"?

Then there's his wife. If I were her, I'd be a lil pissed that he was acting so ridiculous.

It's been discussed that this is his "cop" mentality not just a Mormon priesthood mentality.....playing the bad boy can be fun.

Bad Boys … Bad Boys …..sing along.

I guess that, according to LD$ Inc, marijuana use is OK for Kirby but not for any of the other members.

Celebrity has its privileges. Just look at the leaders he supports. They can be very un-Christlike yet pretend to represent the guru of Christianity. Birds of a feather, just in different nests of privilege.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900032261/prop-2-not-the-right-answer-but-church-leaders-urge-utah-legislature-to-legalize-medical-marijuana.html


This sounds like something coming out of North Korea:

President Russell M. Nelson's 'great empathy'

Our Dear, Great Leader has spoken.
Just ignore the inconsistencies.

And that he took a Hippocratic oath because his other oaths are more important to the world.