Last week I was in Banff Alberta stuck my nose in door of lids chapel as they were having tv conference for stakes from SLC. It was just spoken word on screen as I was early and not going but wanted to see if they had same broadcast as our building had. a. couple people there.

Saw that each row of pews had blankets I asked what they were for. I was told that they were for members in case they felt chilly as buildings are not as warm now.

I noticed our ward building has been chilly too and I leave church cold. Have they cut back on heating so they can build buildings in SLC.

Ha!
They just want MORE money than they already have.

They don't care if members freeze due to their cost cutting measures.

Oh, C'mon. It's the only way they can keep people awake in those gawdawful boring meetings.

And you can never get the temp to a place where everyone is comfortable. Take it from someone who is almost always freezing if the temp is under 80. If I am comfortable, everyone else is usually sweating. I'm smart enough to always carry a wrap with me. I'm actually kind of impressed that the church provided blankets. And I'll guarantee you there were plenty of pot-bellied mormon men who were perfectly comfortable without blankets.

I'll wager money those blankets weren't provided by the church, but by some Relief Society members or another group who attends there. The brethren have far more important things to worry about than the welfare of church members, after all, and providing blankets would cut into their bottom line.

Cutting corners again, are they?

Well by cutting heat to the buildings will insure more of the little children will be catching colds and then spreading their germs to those around them.

To be setting out blankets on the pews sounds like a bit extreme on the heating bill, if you ask me. Why would people attend knowing they will be using blankets on the pews instead of an actual heating source?

If the church is hurting that bad, what's next? Will the lights be cut? The water supply?

Back to basics. Live like the pioneers.

Cutting the heat is pathetic! It's appalling to take away people's basic needs. Cheap!

The church is far from hurting for money.

Who needs heat when you have a burning in the boob?

...yes. Corporate is likely not hurting. But I would suppose over at the financial dept. and member retention dept., they are predicting lower tithing receipts and fast offering donations going forward. These predictions, when overlayed onto the operational costs of the Church in general, will be hard to overcome. This might be a reason why PR deck chairs, policy, doctrinal issues are being seriously looked at........

IF you read certain other posts here on RFM, they will lead you to believe that LD$ inc is rolling in the MOReMONey.

LD$ inc is raking in billions off of sales at City Creek Center Mall!!! They tell you.

Wrong, buzzard breath (quoting Karnak the Great). Nobody said they were taking in billions off sales at City Creek. I said City Creek retail is doing OK, based on the amount of foot traffic I regularly see. Their office space (there are four office towers at City Creek) seems to be fully leased, and is probably bringing in substantial money. "Billions" was your term, not mine.

Please try to stay within shouting distance of reality. Gracias.

You know, I can understand wanting to see the church fail; I think it's a common sentiment among those here, who I'll venture to say have all been wronged somehow by the organization (whether that's through doctrinal issues, the devotion of our lives to a church that turned out to be a sham, tithing dollars sacrificed, psychological trauma, etc.). But I don't understand subscribing to a fiction that can only see the church magnificently failing when that clearly isn't happening yet.

It's fine to acknowledge that the church's real estate corporation is doing pretty well for itself, and not believe in the church. Because the real estate arm does appear to be doing quite well; that's just an acknowledgement of reality. If you don't believe that because of some fantasy about how they're going broke when that clearly isn't the case, you are, in my mind, of a kind with the Mormons who refuse to believe the church is anything but true based on no evidence.

They might even ask for everyone to bring their own toilet paper.

Someone in Church HQ is going to read what you wrote, Madge, and call it inspiration!

Is the church actually "hurting for money," or are they cutting costs to keep more of the money they bring in?

That's really the question, isn't it...

It depends how many fingers are in the pie.

I heard a rumor that the church is planning on building another 20+ story office building in SLC. Has anyone heard anything about this? The rumor was not from a reliable source so just wondering.

Not a rumor...

https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2175202

Thanks, for the link, Hie.
I obviously missed BoJ's thread on this and should have looked.

Good grief.
They have money. They use it to invest which results in more money. Apparently the religion part is a side hobby.

Probably not enough members in that stake are paying tithing. The church is witholding the temporal blessing of heat to teach them to pay tithing first, even if one cannot pay other important bills like heat and electricity.



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The colder it gets in that church, the more members are going to see Hell as an attractive option.

It's to prop up the Tithing receipts budget.

The for-profit arm of the church is doing very well. The not-for-profit arm of the church is not doing so very well.

sounds good to me. ANything that makes it easier to sleep through is a plus in my book. Not as evective as vodka and sleeping in, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

It not only saves valuable money, but also (bonus!) makes the members even more miserable.

money to the LSD Church are hurting for money."

The LSD Church central planners in SLC have so much money that they've decided to become a real estate investment/development company masquerading as a church.

They're friends and relatives are standing in line to get some lucrative church contracts so that all those tithes and donations can find their way into the pockets of the people who deserve it most (i.e. the friends and relatives of the LSD Church leaders).

No way to know where the church stands financially without an audit. I wouldn't trust their books.

...what method would be used for the audit? "Old Reliable" rock-in-the-hat trick, or the more scientific, with 50% odds of accuracy, "Magic Eight Ball?"

https://i.imgur.com/BInWFmi.jpg

https://quizsocial.com/quimg/8-ball/results/1.jpg

hehe

I'd pay tithing to help the wonderful church out, but we used this month's tithing to buy a 75 inch tv.

Sure, they won't heat or cool their buildings for the tithing paying attendees but they have no problem wasting water on church lawns. Just like most Mormons, you must keep up the outside appearance of perfection.

Doesn’t tithing from Canada go to BYU? Something about the tax laws.

What if they are trying to winnow the church population? If they get rid of enough people, they can liquidate. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.



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Don't think this shows the church is hurting. It shows they're cheaping out on the member experience. I think this is a similar reason for two hour church.



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There was a guy that the church loved to have as their manager. He was quite the pain-in-the-ass type to follow every church policy. When I served as ward clerk, he drove me nuts when I came to church hoping to find serenity during the middle of the week.

"If I open the door, you need not turn on the light switch for your office."

"Do you really need to have the computer monitor on if you're going to use the typewriter?"

"How come the air is on? If you've been running the AC then you can go before my boss and explain the utility bills...One of these days I am going to cut all of your cords."

And I always wanted him to carry out his threat of cutting the power cords. It would have been fun for processing tithing.



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The hardest thing to properly monetize is real property. If they were to lease all of their meeting houses they would make so much more money than they are by extorting tithing from their members. Same with temples. If they sell their real property than they may have an influx of cash but they are no longer able to monetize it long term.

The religion business, the way LDS inc runs it (with massive and expensive bureaucracy), has never been a sustainable way to run a business. So while their assets may be impressive and their revenue may be impressive they just aren't smart enough (willing) to run it without outpacing revenue.

The for profit side (the side that pays taxes) seems to suffer from a similar failed business sense. I suspect that the only way they can continue to grow is by getting the benefit from funneling profit back to the religion and thus get a charitable tax break.

The bottom line is that if the fuckers had to operate the same way every other business does they would sink so fast we wouldn't have time to blink.

There's no way they are hurting for money. LDS headquarters is just being cheap with their McWard franchises.

They probably projected to increase their investment portfolio from $100 billion to $105 billion this year but it probably only to $104 billion. So instead of being satisfied with less than expected return they cut expenses from their tithing base.

I remember meeting in newly built chapels and stake centers, but always feeling uncomfortable. They kept the thermostat real high during the summers (about 78 or 79) and real cold during winter months (64-65). Part of being conditioned was being told to remove your outdoor coat while attending meetings inside of a refrigerator. This was especially true of the YM-YW where we were told that we couldn't wear a warm jacket while administering the sacrament. Likewise, we were told that we had to wear suit jackets and or vests (with long sleeves) during summers.

Ah, the good old days!

The over-zealous YW prez stalking two 16 year old girls because they refused to remove their heavy coats. The girls would rather stand outside in the freezing rain then remove their overcoats for SS in a cold church building.

SEcular Priest Wrote:
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> Last week I was in Banff Alberta stuck my nose in
> door of lids chapel as they were having tv
> conference for stakes from SLC. It was just
> spoken word on screen as I was early and not going
> but wanted to see if they had same broadcast as
> our building had. a. couple people there.
>
> Saw that each row of pews had blankets I asked
> what they were for. I was told that they were for
> members in case they felt chilly as buildings are
> not as warm now.
>
> I noticed our ward building has been chilly too
> and I leave church cold. Have they cut back on
> heating so they can build buildings in SLC.

It's a corporate move. Want-to-be executives at LDS, Inc., like at all big corporations, need to make a name for themselves during their corporate climb, by showing how they can save the corporation money. Turning down the thermostat in all church buildings will save big $$$, especially during the cold winter months. I'm sure this was presented via a power point presentation at one of the corporate meetings. The corporate climber will probably be promoted and can put it on their resume: "saved corporation millions of dollars annually by lowering the thermostat in all church buildings."

On the gright side, cooler interior temperatures may mitigate that LDS building odor.

These people aren't skint, even if wards are receiving less money. They are just miserly, and feel no reason not to take it out on the members.

I think we are thinking alike Margie. Who is going to keep the blankets CLEAN? My first thought was about germs. My second, bugs. This is just a bad idea.

Ever since moving to Utah, I never take off my coat at church. Not because of the cold, but because I had two coats stolen off the ward coat rack, and I wasn't going to have a third coat stolen.

Dogblogger is right. Someone should do the math. One less hour of heat/AC, and lights every Sunday, multiplied by all the wards in the world = that saves a ton in energy costs!

I'm surprised they don't save on carpet wear and tear, and make members take off their shoes, like in their damned temples.

This reminds me of an experience in junior high school. When my oldest brother went on his mission, he gave me his Cincinnati Reds jacket and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. One weekend I wore it to church, and made the mistake of hanging it up on one of the coat racks. We had the 1-4pm block that year, and at the end of priesthood meeting, sure enough--the jacket was gone.

Meanwhile, at my local gym there's a rack by the door for people to hang their keys while they work out. Guess how many key rings go missing?

Mormons, it turns out, are assholes.

There’s a reason the temples have lockers (with keyed locks) in their changing rooms.

I'm thinking they're looking at the difference between church revenue & business revenue & they're liking business revenue more & more...

just sayin'

A church that doesn’t totally suck can’t produce faith unto exaltation.

And uses institutional means to keep attendees alert [not asleep].

If is is warm [comfortable], people will nod off... and on and on.
If it is cold-cool, people will at least appear more alert (mad) [uncomfortable].

LDSink doesn't care if anyone is comfortable or uncomfortable. The twig I grew up in had gas heaters and people would situate themselves accordingly [tscc is so cheap].
In the summer, it was the opposite: people fanning themselves so fervently, it was dizzying.

The 'church' kept saying if they'd get more members, in any way possible, a new building would be built (out of town, on the highway, probably closer/ more convenient for visiting indignitaries). I think 48 members were there, accidentally, one Sunday, 15 years later, and they built a chattle. The old building houses another church, that undoubtedly updated it [with it's small, but dedicated membership (that doesn't have a BIG parent church leaching off of it].

M@t

I hear tithing is being raised to 20%.

Using blankets in chapels, but plan to build multiple temples over the next few years.

Thanks for the gumball Mickey!

Hunting (fear is the ammunition) in member's deep and holey pockets.

CASH[tax-FREE]-free, in unmarked [higher] bills, preferably.

It hunts under water, in the cover of darkness: LDS institutions

M@t