Good Grief!. We live on the very South end of the Salt Lake Valley. We have a couple of grocery stores nearby. One of them is a WalMart "Neighborhood Market". Neighborhood Markets are about 1/4 the size of a typical WalMart. They only sell groceries, pharmaceuticals, and stuff found in your usual grocery store.No tires, electronics, clothing, guns, etc. Ours has been there about 12 years. Yesterday, I went there to buy some stuff for dinner and some beer. The beer aisle is towards the back end of the store. The shelving units across from the beer has always been the bread aisle. Employees were removing the bread to replace the bread with other products. Many of the cashiers have been there a long time, and we know a few by name. I asked one girl what was up? She rolled her eyes and told me that the store manager was recently made a bishop. Some women in his ward complained that they hated the fact that when they shopped for bread, they had to go down the beer aisle-sometimes even with their children. Horrors! So, the Manager/Bishop made an executive decision to move the bread aisle and replace it with......Coffee. Now, the store employees (not LDS) are calling the beer/coffee aisle "The Aisle of Sin". Only in Utah.

I wonder what they call the twinkie and donut aisle ?

Basic Staples.

Man cannot live on bread alone.

“... the isle of sin.”

Ohhhh, Still Anon, I worry so about your townsolk’s eternal salvation—-having to even cast their eyes down the Isle of Satan’s throat!

Be brave, our friend !!

;)

No Shit. I can't believe that he could do that. I thought every Walmart was laid out by corporate in Arkansas. I'm thinking that he got special permission from HQ because he explained that most of his customers believe that coffee and beer are evil.

Wait until Mormon manager tries to save his staff from the tragedy of working on the sabbath day!

I wonder if it would be viewed with annoyance by Corporate Headquarters that the bishop-manager has placed a higher loyalty to another corporation?

They should put the condoms on that aisle as well. One stop shopping.

Snort.
One stop shopping AND sinning!

Grocery stores must hide beer behind a 6 foot wall so children will not see the evil brewskis, you know, and get any evil ideas.

Don't laugh. It's true. Every year our Religiouslature meets, they pass a slew of liquor laws that go into effect the next year. Thanks to last session, they limited the amount and square footage of beer signs/advertising to 2. You know how during major events like the SuperBowl, World Series, March Madness, General Conference, etc, all the Budweiser, Coors, Millers. Coronas, etc. come out with clever, theme related displays? Well, now, grocery and convenience stores can only display 2 ads, with signage limited to a certain amount of square inches. Fuckin' micromanaging, over religious, nazi zealots. How about focusing on your flock and bribe taking mormon politicians and leave the decent people alone?



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> Religiouslature

Ha Ha!

> limited to a certain amount of square inches.

How can they limit the contents of a privately operated store? Signs outside I can see but isn't the inside space private property?

Because Utah is a theocracy. Always has been. They take special pleasure in enacting laws that focus on Gentiles. We're not like the rest of the country.

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/utah-s-new-alcohol-rules-limit-stores-to-beer-displays/article_f2a57a3f-6539-560d-9f4d-ae38e1b8ed33.html

Would an illustration of BY and JS holding large brewskis be considered alcoholic or religious advertising?

No. Because that never happened. That's just more "anti-mormon lies".

the layouts of stores doesn't happen by accident, they do extensive studies of shopper habits to determine what goes where.

Merchandising is more of a science, down to/including the selection of music that comes over the speakers & what time of day it is...
Upper managers research the paths that shoppers take thru the isles & plan the layout accordingly.


Here in the PNW, we don't have BoM's or LDS Living on the shelves at Wally World or any other store that I'm aware of.



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> the layouts of stores doesn't happen by accident,

I imagine the manager will have to put it back if sales drop. But if they increase they may change it in all the stores!

Utah beer is like sex in a canoe. It's Fing close to water.

Well, 2 things here. You can buy regular beer in the State liquor stores. Room temp (no refrigeration) and no deals. Real beers (not the 3.2 beer in grocery stores) are sold by the bottle. You can but one 12 oz. Urquell Pilsner @ $1.95. Or 6 x $1.95. Or 24 x $1.95. It's a joke and a ripoff. All my beer drinking buddies have a rotating route with their friends and neighbors. Once a week, someone drives to Evanston WY. and stocks up. Everyone places their order and pays upfront. If you have 6-8 pals, you only have to make the trip once about every 2 months.
2nd. Many states voted last year to get rid of 3.2 beer. Leaving only Utah and Minnesota as the only remaining states. Beer makers are cutting way back on 3.2 products. There's a bill in the Religiouslature to allow regular beer (which Utah calls "heavy beer") to be sold in grocery stores and convenience stores. Naturally, "the" church has come out against that in an official press release. Assholes.

We need 3.2 beer in MN for Sh@@ beer night. Where everyone brings a case of the cheapest beer you can find, and no one leaves until it is gone.

Yeah I had the misfortune of living in Utah for awhile and got to know the insanity. I also love how you can't order a Jack and Coke at a bar unless it's a private club but you can go to the liquor store and bring your own fifth into the bar and that's ok.

You got to love people who have no understanding of alcohol writing the laws on regulating it.

In short you don't buy a drink in Utah. You buy a drunk.

That's ridiculous.

Coffee is considered a staple elsewhere, like a food item. Not a luxury or extra.

There's a whole corner devoted to craft beer at my local supermarket. Coffee is in a different deparment entirely. I can't even see them co-existing aesthetically on an aisle.

Only in Utah.

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> That's ridiculous.
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> Coffee is considered a staple elsewhere, like a
> food item. Not a luxury or extra.
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> There's a whole corner devoted to craft beer at my
> local supermarket. Coffee is in a different
> deparment entirely. I can't even see them
> co-existing aesthetically on an aisle.
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> Only in Utah.

Haha! With all the crazy craft brews people have come out with someone probably has come out with coffee flavored beer.

I don't believe this story -- a Walmart Manager became a bishop?? Not a prestigious enough position for the lard truly anointed.

Of course I'm being sarcastic - however all the bishops I had growing up were men of prominent social standing: Dr.'s, lawyer'w, engineer's, etc.

I guess it's supply and demand. In Utah, where there's a wardhouse every 400 yards, I think there's a lot more bishops. Our neighborhood current one is a contractor. Previously it was a insurance broker. There's a lot of LDS bishop dentists around here as well.

If the Bishop of Walmart is a dentist, what happens to the candy isle?

I'm guessing that he doubles it. Job security.

sometimes pickins are slim.

(not much of a beer guy)

I don't appreciate the fine points of different beers, but to those who do...

Isn't beer appreciation mostly for taste -or- is it how much intoxication a drinker gets?

are the two connected?

It's not the alcohol content as much as it's the taste. But when you water beer down it tends to taste like shit. So the bottom line is don't put water into my fucking beer.

With the caveat that if you brew it to be a 3.2 beer than it can taste just fine.

One other caveat. If you get a real nice double IPA that has that perfect blend of hops and malt you also get the benefit of a 9-12% beer.

Yes. Most beer drinkers like the taste. Plus the mild, consistent buzz.If you want to get loaded, especially in a few hours, most people drink liquor. A regular beer drinker can handle 6-10 beers over 4 hours with no problem. 6-10 cocktails? Not so much.

At well over 6 feet tall and about 220 pounds, it takes more beer than will fit in my belly to get drunk. I get a slight buzz after 3, 5%ish beers, but at that point I'm full up. So yeah, taste. And if you're limited to 3.2 beer, there are a lot of flavors to miss out on.

I don't think breweries here in WA are allowed to publish the alcohol % of beer. I seem to remember seeing it on the inside of a label once a long, long time ago however (might have been when I was living in another state).

Once while living in ID attending Hicks I bought a bottle to rinse my hair with (WTF?), that was on a dare kinda thing, I didn't drink any!

those Mormons are pathetic !!!! just so they don't have to walk down the aisle. they could never survive out of their bubble.

those Mormons are pathetic !!!! just so they don't have to walk down the aisle. they could never survive out of their bubble.

I thought that members were supposed to be following the profit; I think BY drank a lot of beer.

Did they move the Postum away from the coffee to save these poor mormon’s eyesight?

Reminds me a bit of my grandparents complaints about Skanky’s convenience store in Logan. They used to sell magazines roughly equal to National Geographic nudity wise, but were locally considered to have Roman orgies happening there.

You do know that Utah is the only State where grocery stores have to cover up Cosmo, Shape,Women's Fitness, Sports Illustrated, Vanity Fair, etc. magazines, right? Effing prudes.

https://fox13now.com/2014/12/03/utah-moms-call-for-blinders-on-revealing-magazine-covers-in-stores/

I hate to be picky but this isn't the case. First they don't "have to", they might choose to because of persnickety moralists. Second this happens all over the country particularly in the Bible Belt.

No, you're wrong. I've lived in the bible belt. They cover up Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc. Not Sports Illustrated, Shape and Cosmo. In Utah, they can't sell Playboy, or anything close, in grocery or convenience stores. You have to go to an adult book store. It's illegal to sell X-rated DVD's in Utah. There's a reason that our border states all have huge liquor, tobacco and X-rated supply stores on the State lines. I mean really, who buys hard copy porn these days? But, if you want to buy a Playboy, for the articles, of course, in Utah, you have to go to a hardcore bookstore.

In Utah, where do the ranchers go to buy their tobacco?

Do they have to travel out of state?

You know the good stuff that is supposed to be for the healing of their animals (according to their stupor of wisdom).



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Nah. They buy it local. They just pay twice as much. Utah taxes alcohol at 87%. You can buy it on the border for almost half as much. Same with tobacco. But, if you're driving to the border to save money on liquor, might as well buy cheap tobacco, lottery tickets and gasoline. We lose billions in tax revenue, annually, due to "sin" taxes.

It doesn't take much to find that Walmart, Publix, RiteAid, Food Lion, and others have covered up content that they or their shoppers have deemed objectionable. Or to find out that Walmart straight pulled Cosmo away from the prominent checkout slot at the urging of the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.

See the problem here is that you're railing on Utah specifically about something that isn't specific to Utah.

See, the problem here is that you're convoluting the issue. Food Lion, Rite Aid, Publix, etc. don't cover up Shape, S.I. etc. They just moved Cosmo from the checkout aisle.Uncovered. You'd make a good mormon apologist.

Here in the PNW, some check-out lanes are labeled as 'Family Friendly', don't display those 'racy' S.I. mags;


O, btw, is this year's Swimsuit Issue out yet?

In Utah, we get the "Burka Edition".

Mormon children are damaged if they see beer on a shelf in a grocery store?? LOL

Apparently, mormon kids are very weak and incapable of withstanding what normal kids see with no ill effects.

Cheryl (I thought U knew this!)


there are Two Kinds of 'normal';

everyday normal

Mormon normal.


really.

That was the argument against the "Zion Curtain" that Utah made restaurants install to keep kids from seeing drinks being made. What happens to those fragile kids when they go to CA or FL to Disneyland? They see drinks made in airports, hotels and restaurants in every other state. Do they suddenly turn into alcoholics and demand Jello shots?

stillanon:

I live near Seattle, so I'm not actually of interest in this;

one of the posters has expressed doubt about your stmnt, would U care to tell which Walmart location this is that you're referring to?

I'm reasonably sure there's a regular RfM poster close-by who c/would check this out & report;Thanks...

Yes. There are a lot of regulars here that are within a few miles. Which poster questions the veracity of my initial post?

anono nono nono (above) says s/he doubts your statement; if it's any comfort, s/he isn't a regular here, at least by that name.

Ok, but here's the post, saying it was sarcasm;

"I don't believe this story -- a Walmart Manager became a bishop?? Not a prestigious enough position for the lard truly anointed.
Of course I'm being sarcastic - however all the bishops I had growing up were men of prominent social standing: Dr.'s, lawyer'w, engineer's, etc."

But, just for the doubters, it a few miles from the RfM Draper Meetup group. WalMart Neighborhood Market.
https://www.walmart.com/store/5110/draper-ut
Maybe they could take a field trip. Talk to Jen, Barbara, Lori, Dan, Kathleen or Amanda. They'll tell you the story and they'll show you the "Aisle of Sin".

Well after many years participating in the Walmart Supply Chain. I can say that the plannagrams are meticulously designed for months. Walmart suppliers fret about losing business from how things are organized on the shelves. This stuff is the result of years of study and data. A store manager changing something is normal, but at Walmart? He must have pictures of someone.

and sets up a free beer sampling booth. Every weekend they feature a different beer. Last week was a pretty good Czech beer. She doesn't give samples to kids. But the kids are all around as their parents all line up quite enthusiastically to sample the beer of the day.

I live about as far away from "Zion" as you can get. Sounds like I'm even farther away than I thought.

Yep. My brother is in FL. They have free wine samples in Sweet Bay grocery stores.Try that in Utah and they'll be arrested and treated like a serial killer.

If he puts the Ensign or Liahona on the magazine racks then I suggest you call corporate.
But, the managers are allowed some leeway in their layout of merchandise.
I work in a town with three colleges in it and 3 Wal-Mart stores. Everyone of those stores have their merchandise in different places. And I've been to several different Wal-Mart stores in different cities and states and no two are alike. Although the general layout is pretty much generic.
If you see temple garments in the clothing aisles run like hell...

Guess who had the first liquor license in Nauvoo.


{From the official History of the Church, Volume 6, Page 111}

[Page 111]

Passed December 12, 1843.
Joseph Smith, Mayor.

W. Richards, Recorder.

The Council also passed "An ordinance for the health and convenience of travelers and other persons."

Ordinance on the Personal Sale of Liquors.

Section 1. Be it ordained by the City Council of Nauvoo, that the Mayor of the city be and is hereby authorized to sell or give spirits of any quantity as he in his wisdom shall judge to be for the health and comfort, or convenience of such travelers or other persons as shall visit his house from time to time.

crazy it gets. Now the mothers will be upset about the coffee.

I think the store managers have some input on how their own stores are laid out as I've seen the manager of Sam's Club change things after the workers have set up displays.



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