An exmo on Reddit made a very important distinction today. I was moved...

Some of her words: "Stop saying 'start a family' when you mean 'have kids.' A couple is still a family. A single person and her cat is a family. A couple and their plants are still a family. ... You don't need kids to be a family."

Los mormones know that without the parents brain-washing their kids, the kids are increasingly likely to NOT join the lock-step crowd of conformist members. Even with the best of brain-washing intentions, they are losing bunches and bunches of future tithe payers.

Now don't get all maudlin and weepy-eyed... There are some definite elements of family here amongst los RfM'ers of Earth and points adjacent. Damn it, I got something in my eyes...

The new generation gives me hope as few things do these days.

Okay, speaking of new generations, I'm gonna go ahead and get this off my chest. I had absolutely nothing to do with it, I think. I wish I did, but I probably didn't.

My TBM daughter has kids and one of them finished his mission in June of last year. So he's a late bloomer because it took him ten months to get engaged. The wedding is on a Wednesday in August, 2-1/2 months away. So very, very par for the course except that it took ten months to, I guess, earn enough for the ring. He knew her before the mission...

Here's the kicker. The next oldest boy didn't go on a mission and his mother reported to her sister that he's no longer a mormon, but he's still a deist. I couldn't help but wonder if the last phrase was thrown in as wishful thinking?

This is in the heart of Orem in a very staunch mormon home. I am looking forward to waiting outside the temple with this grandson! My non-TBM daughter and Saucie will probably go shopping during this time...

Well yeah, I'm planning on it. There's nothing as memorable as a

good shopping day.

I wonder about the word "deist." My guess is most Mormons have no idea what that means and would not use it. If correct, that might imply that your grandson has thought long and deep about religion and in that process came across, and adopted, the term. That would explain why your daughter, anxious, fastened on it as better than atheism.

I naturally don't know your family, but perhaps your grandson is a deep thinker?

"My son is in jail for armed robbery but he's not a murderer?"

wedding (not like I wanted to be in the temple, being at the temple was tough), my sister and her husband were the only 2 there from my family. My daughter is the only grandchild/great grandchild who is mormon. My sister's 3 kids and their families are all not mormon.

Don't know why I ended up with the TBM!?!?

Nearly EVERYTHING ChurchCo says is lip service at Best, Hypocrisy at worst.

In my own case, their claims of Honesty were a Total Fabrication, as are their claims about 'family values'

Blood makes you related. Loyalty, empathy, unconditional love make you family.

One of them can give you a wonderful life and the other is very useful when you need a transfusion.

The quote you posted, EOD. Now that is a proclamation. It isn't about who you love, it is about your ability to love.

Glorious !!!!!!! Blood doesn't make a family, its love that makes a family.. I've seen it first hand.

Love & Roses, baby.

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> Love & Roses, baby.


Mmmmmm I like the sound of that.

Elderolddog says the most wonderful things. Its an art.

Hey, come on now. We can take this to Facebook!

The Proclamation on the Family was written as an anti Gay marriage screed. Cuz you know two guys kissing will cause an asteroid impact.

Probably has, but in an alternate reality.

Meaning that the mormon moon Quakers got a lot o' Gays!