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It would be the Hawaiians and the Navy reenacting a deadly action that killed a lot of them. They wouldn't involve the Japanese, just drop bombs on themselves. Just as stupid as the mormons doing these stupid treks.
Every local TV station and the Trib have reported on this. Not a peep from the D-News. They're probably happy that that poor girl, MacKenzie Lueck dominates the news cycle and hoping their inspired trek saga just fades away.
Since the church is no longer fostering/sponsoring scouting, I would guess that many participants were ill prepared to endure a 5 mile walk. It was hot too. One good thing about scouting was that an intelligent leader would have us scouts practice shorter hikes to develop endurance and stamina before attempting the mega 50 mile hike when working on the hiking merit badge. Maybe a one mile walk would have been better in hot weather.
Additionally, I wonder how much good could have been accomplished by doing 3 hours of community service. No, I'm not talking about sprucing up the lightning rod steeple, but actually trying to help ANYBODY that is in need. I've long come to the conclusion that the Mormon way is only to help themselves.
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On the first day of the only trek I went on it felt like a death march through the southeast Idaho desert. I swore I could feel my brain cooking in my skull from the heat.
Consenting adults re-enacting historical battles I can understand. Idiots forcing kids to walk in the heat hauling handcarts is downright dangerous.
Personally, I think the morons who lead that trek should be part of a different re-enactment. The Donner Party re-enactment dinner to be specific.
I agree with Messygoop. Have the kids do something worthwhile! If they do something of value for the community, it might build up their self-esteem and sense of worth.... Oops, that's NOT what the Mormons want from the kids. The Mormons demand abject obedience. The idea is to break down the kids, not build them up!
Mormons teach that people need to SUFFER, like the pioneers, like Christ, in order to gain God's (and the Mormon leaders' approval). The poor fools are not taught the Christian principle that God loves us all unconditionally. God is about Love, not torture. Mormonism is sick and perverse.
How would it be if the kids showed compassion for the elderly, the poor, even pets or nature trails--anything helpfull and constructive and uplifting? Mormonism is also very depressing. The subjugation of women, the demands placed on the males, missions, pioneer treks, paying money, cleaning toilets. The message is "You're worthless." Kids deserve better! Where's the love?
My children and I were still Mormons, when a leader gave me a consent form for him to go on pioneer trek (which also asked for money). I gave my son a lot of freedom, because he was a good kid, and wise for his age, and he had a nice after-school job. I tore it up, and told my son, "You are NOT going on pioneer trek." He laughed and said, "Thank you!"
Jordan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > At least their hardships are authentic. Maybe they > should try it in winter to experience frostbite > and hypothermia as well
Also if they're going to re-enact Trek, they could at least do it properly - pointy ears, walnut whip foreheads, Star Fleet uniforms etc.
In the news article, they elaborated that mostly it was dehydration....so that means that: (i) they didn't take enough water with them; and (ii) somebody rescued them by picking them up, giving them water and telling them to rest in a cool spot.
So...not really like the actual victims of Brigham Young's brilliant money-saving handcart fiasco.
Brigham Young be like: "Hey, sure the church has enough money to fully provision respectable wagons and get you started at an appropriate time of year. But then that would mean less money for me to invest in some really nice business opportunities I've got my eye on and I...er...I mean...God would not want those business opportunities to be lost. So I've got a better idea. Instead of providing oxen to pull your wagons, you get to pull scaled down wagons yourself. It'll be fun. Good exercise!"
Hey Briggy, where are you heading off to on that fine horse?
When I was a youth men's leader, I participated in a Youth Stake Conference trek in the middle of July in the Mid-West. Similarly, about 25% of the youth succumbed to heat stroke. Even at that time, I realized that it was a risky stupid meaningless event.
The Mormon church has dodge a bullet with this event. I suspect that this event will stop when there are death and the law suits start.
Mormons have the same high-risk mentality when it comes to missions. They send their beautiful daughters to 3rd world, crime ridden, disease infested country's - and the Russ and Wendy show, et al, think nothing of it (nor have their predecessors).
This high-risk mode was in place at the time of Horney Joe Smith, so perhaps this is a built-in tenet mentality that Mormons have. Horney Joe was a big time risk taker the way he went about marrying girls, woman already married to other men, etc. He didn't know when to quit. It finally caught up to him and it was his demise. He just kept doing it.
Same can be said of the Mormon church today, risk taking, don't know when to quit, and they keep on doing these high risk activities, will finally catch up them, and it will be there demise (hopefully).
All of our kids participated in Pioneer Trek, and it was always through Wyoming and towards the end of June. When our middle daughter went, there was a big, tall kid that was in her group. He was crying, and at one point, she had to pull the handcart all by herself while someone at the top of a hill was playing "Come, Come Ye Saints" on his violin! With all of the treks, it was hot during the day, and cold at night. Every trek had a re-enactment scene. There would be weeping "parents" that would bury a baby doll. When our other daughter came home from it, she was limping to the front door and her clothes blackened a little and torn. She looked like Tom Hanks in a scene from "The Burbs"! Such fun! No, seriously, it's a dangerous thing that should be stopped.
as one of the "leaders." She wasn't the camp leader, but she is over beehives. She only went to camp once I believe with her cousin. She was shocked at how ill prepared everyone and everything was. She worked her ass off to take care of those girls as nobody seemed to have their act together.
When we used to go to girls' camp, it was well organized.
It seems they are slipping in all areas.
I love the "Russ and Wendy show"--thanks for that!
If they have to do it, they need leaders who know what they are doing and they need to take reasonable safety precautions. Getting sick or dying is too much realism.
A cult that is so afraid to let the youth have fun is causing what is happening to the young people, questions and disaffection, to which I say, "Keep it up. Keep it up."
The cult leaders care only about THEIR life of ease and plenty, of course, lying continually that they love the youth and want them to have a wonderful life. The GREAT thing is that the intelligent tech-savy-youth see right through these leaders and are not letting them get away with their tricks.
The cult may not fall completely, BUT it is decreasing mightily in size....youth are jumping out of the way of the train wreck and loving every liberated minute of it.
GO YOUTH!!!
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Lol...Exactly, I can hear the conversation now between the Stake President and one of his Bishops during the trek upon seeing that a larger number of the Bishops youth in the ward had succumbed to the heat,
SP: (In a GA voice) "You know Bishop, I have found that those who keep the covenants they have made (pause), those who are living righteously (pause), those youth that are pure in mind and heart (pause) don't seem to be affected by the heat. In your ward Bishop I see several young men, fewer young women, and a few leaders in your ward who have been adversely affected by the heat on this trip. We do these treks in part, to weed the wheat from the tares so to speak. Bishop I am inspired to tell you that many of these are guilty of looking at porn on the internet. I would advise you to immediately hold personal priesthood interviews and peer into their soul by the power of the spirit and bring them to repentance.
Bishop: (Bishop fighting exhaustion himself, dizzy from the heat but daring not appear exhausted for fear of being "porned" by the SP). I will President, I know I have been lax in my PPI's, but you have set me on the right course. I will address this in Sac Meeting, in our youth activities, and I will hold very special fireside on the evils of porn for our youth. will you speak President?.
SP: I know you will Bishop. yes, I will speak at this fireside. I will also give you a blessing that the spirit of discernment will rest upon you.
..."There would be weeping "parents" that would bury a baby doll."<<<
Oh, God, no! That is insane!
My ancestor lost her baby, and her sister died in childbirth, crossing the plains.
Psychologically speaking, I think this type of ritual "desensitizes" kids to death. It's not a real death, and it separates them from feeling REAL emotions of loss, sorrow and grief. Like most of what the Mormon cult does, it has the opposite effect of what was intended. Yeah, yeah, bury some doll...now what's the next activity?
Sorry to be crude, but I hope they haul latrines along with them. Or, do they give each "pioneer" their own plastic poop-bags and barf bags? Some of us hike in those areas, you know! JK--I'm being "desensitized", right now.
UNNECESSARY SUFFERING--just like the religion itself.
Yah. When I was still active with kids, I would never have gone on or let my children go on a pioneer trek.
My reaction to this was, "The pioneers would think we were crazy for re-enacting something horrible. Surely there is something more constructive to do."
If anyone had suggested such a re-enactment in 1848 or later, President Young would have ordered that the fiend be shot, in the name of Almighty God, to honor the victims of that despicable, deadly march.