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Posted by: mrx ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 03:32AM

So if you don't receive any answer to prayers, then
that's solid proof of miracles . . . .

don't really follow the logic

http://www.ldsliving.com/Why-Not-Receiving-an-Answer-to-Your-Prayers-Is-Actually-a-Proof-of-Miracles/s/86416

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 07:39AM

It's really amazing, isn't it. Straight out of 1984. Hopefully with sites like this there will be a critical mass that will finally open people's minds to the absurdity of it all.

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 07:52AM


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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 11:28AM

Members should stop tithing, but tell the church that they did. Show them an overdrawn checking account. "See-no money is proof of tithing".

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 12:30PM

ldsliving is the 'Tiger Beat' of mormonism.

But you're right about the tithing thing: "Pay your tithing and the windows of heaven will pour out blessings so much that you will not be able to receive them all" (or whatever that phrase is).

On the other hand: My child is killed, my mother gets cancer, I lose my job, we lose our house? God says "Suck it up!"

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 12:38PM

I hope that pharmaceutical companies don’t take this approach.

“Our new drug shows the same results as the placebo. That proves it works!”

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 04:54PM

At least the price of placebos only rises to match inflation!

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 12:47PM


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Posted by: logged off today ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 01:09PM

Another mormon author trying to drum up book sales.

LDS Living is where articles go that couldn't even clear the incredibly low bar for publishing in the regular official mormon monthly rags.

New Era editor: "Too stupid for us. Send it to the chodes at LDS Living. They'll print anything."

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Posted by: ookami ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 04:52PM

Just reading the title of that LDS Living article caused me to feel a disturbance, as though thousands of brain cells cried out at once and then were silenced.

Maybe I just need to injure my brain to the point that my sense of logic goes from "medium-low" to "non-existent" to get the article.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 10:52PM

when I went through the temple for the first time.

God sees everything, knows everything and knows what's in your heart better than even you do...

BUT you need to learn these handshakes and passwords in order to get into heaven for they are the keys to passing by the angels who guard the gates of heaven and you better not reveal them to anybody else because then evil people will be able to use them to get into heaven even though they are not supposed to get into heaven and that's why you need to agree to be disemboweled and/or have your throat cut and/or have your heart ripped out as punishment if you reveal these secret handshakes and passwords to any outsiders.

[Cue the song "Dizzy": ~ ~ I'm so dizzy ~~ My head is spinning ~~Like a whirlpool, it never ends ~~ And it's Mormon doctrine that make everything spin~~~]

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Posted by: Razortooth ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 07:29PM

Is LDS Living an official church publication, or is it published independently? That is, who is responsible for the content? I'm beginning to wonder if it is a satirical spoof intended to ridicule Mormon doctrine. May by the people who publish The Onion?

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: January 03, 2020 07:53PM

LDS Living Magazine is a division of Deseret Book and is published on a bi-monthly schedule.

LDS Living Magazine is an independent work, and is not an official publication of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The views expressed in the magazine are the responsibility of the various authors and do not necessarily represent the positions of the Church. Contributors include Church members and members of other faiths.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 04:51PM

I think LDS Living is set-up to retain members that are on the fringe of leaving, but might be swayed to stay active in the church if they read something like "It's okay to have some concerns, but stick with you what you like." I think it caters to the popular Givens couple who went around lecturing that HF still loves you if you don't believe everything the church is peddling.

I am certain that eventually the website will disappear once LDS Corp determines that it's no longer viable in keeping members in the boat.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 05:38PM

A Mormon must disbelieve all that he sees.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 10:42PM

"There have to be some opportunities for us to question and doubt. They provide the opposition against which faith can grow and strengthen."

And that's why...you shouldn't be so quick to reject the next e-mail that you get from a Nigerian prince giving you the opportunity to profit greatly by helping him move his large inheritance, using your bank account. The fact that he'll let you keep 10% makes you feel like it's the right thing to do. Everything else is a test of faith.

And that's why...you should definitely sign up with that "Celestial Goop" multi-level marketing program that your ex-roommate from college is urging you to join. You only have to invest $1,000 up front to buy the "Sales Kit" and after that the money will be rolling in. Ignore all those negative reports about Celestial Goop on the Internet and ignore the fact that your ex-roommate who has been a Celestial Goop "premium member" for the past 5 years is currently living in a van down by the river. Those seemingly disturbing "facts" are all stumbling blocks put in your path to test your faith.

So, yeah, you can trust Three-Finger Freddy on that too-good-to-be-true Florida land opportunity. He only sounds and looks like a shady character because God is giving you an opportunity to choose faith instead of giving in to questions and doubts that are only allowed to be placed in your way to help you learn to take those leaps of faith that need to be taken to develop spiritually.

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Posted by: celeste ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 10:47PM

So if no answer to a prayer is a miracle, what is no answer to no prayer? Or how about no answer to a prayer asking that no miracle will occur? I’m so confused.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 04, 2020 11:19PM

And no evidence of god is proof of god.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: January 05, 2020 12:50AM

Because we know that God is very powerful and a key feature of God's plan of salvation is to hide evidence so that we can learn to have faith in the plan of salvation. That's why God does not speak directly to us but reveals everything to us through old guys (businessmen, lawyers, retired doctors, lifelong church employees) who become prophets by outliving people who have more seniority in their religious leader hierarchy.

If God spoke directly to us, we would know that it is not really God because God does not speak directly to us and seeks to hide evidence of his existence. The fact that the evidence has been hidden so well is all the proof you need that he exists. Who else could hide the evidence so effectively?

Now...let's talk about that time-share opportunity in Tuamotu that I mentioned earlier. As you can see in this brochure....

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: January 05, 2020 07:15AM

I’ve heard that in the first Iraq war, a special microwave device was used to broadcast voices into the heads the Iraqis. The sounds seem to come from inside your head. Allah ordered them to surrender so they did, en mass. With their massive war chest, the church could set up similar technology in the conference center. Then all they need is a guy with a really deep voice to do God, Ten Commandments style.

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Posted by: GregS ( )
Date: January 06, 2020 10:45AM

Perhaps they could just rename "miracles" as "divine whimsy". That should cover both answered and unanswered prayers.

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