Posted by:
Tevai
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Date: March 26, 2020 04:47AM
Birdman Wrote:
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> Please state your case. I'm a hard sell and you
> and others may have already tried, however try
> again. I'm not beyond admitting that I could be
> wrong. But how can you accept something without
> evidence?
I don't know what you think I am accepting. Your question was: "Has anyone on this discussion board seen God?"
My answer was: No. [Meaning: I have never seen God.]
> You must have had feelings in your life
> where you went with your gut only to find that you
> were wrong?
When I was younger [adolescent through some of my adulthood], when I was just learning the "language" of my gut, I did make some wrong decisions--MAYBE. Certainly they were "wrong" on an outer level, yet they usually/often led to the "right" outcomes eventually. [Meaning: In retrospect, the path, when seen backwards from a specific point, was clear....had "this" ("bad thing"/"bad decision") NOT happened, then this OTHER "good thing" would have never been possible.]
As it turned out, the very best things (includes people) and decisions in my life were often the results of some far less than stellar interim decisions. I always did the best with what I had available to me at any particular time, I DID listen to my gut, and I chose as well as I was capable of choosing given the realities of my life at any given point.
> In my mind the only way to protect oneself from
> deception is by using facts.
Agreed that facts are important--but there seem to be, simultaneously, other realities which are part of the mix as well. There are times when life itself seems very confused; there are times when someone IS trying to deceive....but even when this is so, that situation may nudge (or actively "push") you onto a path you would not otherwise have chosen--and THAT path may be the optimum highway to take you, more or less directly, to your ultimate good (whatever that may consist of in any particular person's life).
My earned life wisdom is: You gather all the facts and information and contacts possible, you "listen" to ("experience") your gut (which, over time and with experience, you can usually rely on more and more), and then life often turns out, in retrospect, to have put itself together quite nicely (and perhaps far better than you ever could have once dreamed of).
> You're seeing it played out right before your eyes, today.
> They are looking for a cure for Corona virus. I don't
> think anyone would settle for prayer instead of
> rubber gloves or faith healers instead of doctors.
Granted.
I still don't see what this has to do with "seeing God." I don't think "seeing God" is necessary in any kind of prayer (but I was raised Hindu/Vedanta/Advaita, and I am a Jew, so my lifetime personal experience with "prayer" is EXTREMELY far removed from the personal experiences of most everyone on this board).
What "I" consider "prayer," and what most everyone else on this board has been taught is "prayer" are entirely different things.
And although a very small number of certain Jews (mostly in the "Old Testament") were supposed to have "seen God," even if this actually did happen (which is, and remains, a matter of debate), it is not necessary for anyone.
In life, you start where you are....you make the best decisions you are capable of making at any given moment....you DO "follow your gut"--and increasingly, as you continue to grow, your decisions get better and better in every way--even when, as they occur, they are difficult, and sometimes seem "wrong" in the short term.
When you DO make a mistake, you evaluate what happened to the best of your ability, you learn whatever is possible from that experience, and then you start over again--enriched by the deep inner wisdom you have gained through your latest lesson(s).
None of this requires "seeing God."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2020 04:57AM by Tevai.