We’re needed. Sure, we’re needed to tell the top brass they’re hurting families and individuals. We’re needed to tell them to stop hoarding money and come clean with their finances. We’re needed to tell them to come clean about church history. And we’re needed to clean the toilets.

I’ll show up at the ward building next Sunday. I’m sure they’ll invite me in with open arms.

Quentin who ?

Doesn't seem to matter anymore, does it. All the names of all those old men. . .

Hand me the remote control, please. There has to be something on the Hallmark Channel.

>>Quentin who ?

Tarantino. Movie director. Netflix and chill.

Remember -- our parents and grandparents were called to war. We are called to sit on our sofas and watch movies. We can do this!

In my best opinion, that's what the church talk was all about.

That was my exact thought. I have no idea who the "names" are anymore. Out since '92.

I once had an interview with a church leader who was annoyed that I didn't know the stake president's name. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why it was important.

In the church of Jesus Christ, surely there is only one name that matters. But no. I was supposed to know who each of the Q15 were as well as our local leaders.

The sad part is that they don't bother asking why we left. It has to be hard heartedness, or desire to sin. A two way dialog is what would help. But they don't listen, they talk.

And they are impervious to reason because critical thinking is Kryptonite to their testimony. Some people just can’t roll that way but they won’t accept that. Nothing short of bat shit crazy will do.

macaRomney Wrote:
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> The sad part is that they don't bother asking why
> we left. It has to be hard heartedness, or desire
> to sin. A two way dialog is what would help. But
> they don't listen, they talk.



They transmit, but they don’t receive.

It is always about forcible interference and mind control

Come back to what?

Church at home? I've been practicing that for 20 some years with a 10% raise.

Offer nothing and say nothing. Same old church.

I’ve sometimes wondered how that would work. Purely hypothetically of course and because I think my family still hope I will one day return. I suspect endless interviews where we have to repent of our apostasy before we are even baptised. Who on earth would submit to brainwashing a second time, completely willingly. They are so clueless.
My SIL told my daughter that if she came back now (at the time she was 18) it wouldn’t matter so much that she had left in the first place. Well, what is she really saying there? That leaving is a huge sin, but if you return when you’re still young, it is less unforgivable? The stuff they think is so nasty. Then we hear stuff like this; it’s blatantly dishonest.

I admit i have self-loathing issues but not enough to rejoin that nonsense.

Ok boner we will go back and overthrow the leadership and put me in charge. Then, i will open up the bank vault and spread it among people evenly. Then liquidate the entire operation. The end.

Dude, you’re too much of a good guy to be a wanker like the Morg leadership!

They make it too difficult to come back. Other churches just let you show back up, no questions asked. I’ve contemplated returning for social reasons, but wouldn’t want to jump through all of their hoops when I know they don’t have the authority from any gods to make me. Not worth it.

Yes- we are needed. They are not.

bothering me right now especially since I'm older. Otherwise, they'd be working on me. My daughter blogged something and I'm sure she is hoping I would read it. I think she says too much. I read it. I'm glad she has calmed down from her meltdown Friday. Here conference was coming over the weekend and she had a meltdown? I'm surprised.

I have to say I had a little thought in the past few weeks that maybe I'm wrong. Don't get that very often anymore, like NEVER. All you have to do is listen to Rusty and see the hosanna shout and break into laughter. Besides, I was at Costco getting TP. If you guys want some, Costco definitely has it, but you can only take one 30 roll bag (now that I'm down to 3 rolls, but can buy it from my son's boss).



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BYU Boner Wrote:
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> We’re needed.

Many are called to clean but few are chosen to sweep under the rug.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> Many are called to clean but few are chosen to
> sweep under the rug.


Church Correlation, Strengthening the Members, Translations, Communications, Ensign Peak, and Budgetary Committees among them!

Compensated leaders = haves
"Volunteer" leaders = have tos
All the rest = have to clean up after everyone



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Degrees of glory, based on premortal righteousness.

They simply inherit what others have built. Must be nice!

Yeah, but didn't their highest leader Jesus have to suffer being put to death?

Jesus? He's more like a mascot to them, a bit like Mr. Peanut.

They'd prefer that he not be a God. They've got their own Gods.

Thus their new logo. Mr. Jesusnut.

I like that last sentence. We are needed for free labor.

Which I don't.

There's literally nothing in the Mormon church that I miss, or would need.

I don't trust Cook. When I hear him speak, he reminds of a snake oil salesman. He's selling a "cure all" elixir that really has no benefit to anyone. There's something about the way he talks and that crooked smile of his that makes me want to run.

In his pre-GA life, Cook was a sleazebag lawyer who stole a hospital and profiteered from cutting health services to sick people.

http://www.slideshare.net/Mormons4justice/new-l-d-s-apostle-quentin-l

In mormon theology, "Master Mahan" is one who murders for gain. Cook is at the very least an Apprentice Mahan.

Wow! Just finished reading your link. Cook is a snake oil man. He does whatever he needs to do in order to benefit himself. My power of discernment must be working because he gives me the creeps. He fits in nicely with his quorum.

Wants us to come back does he now?

Well I'd like to cook his little quentin.

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> Well I'd like to cook his little quentin.


“A Stewed Prune” —- Sir John Falstaff’s Boner

Go, you thing, go!

Oh Quentin..you don't want the likes of me!

There seems to a lot of confusion in mormonism. They contradict themselves. On the one hand they want to save us and have us come back. On the other hand, we are terrible sinners, like unto the sons of perdition, destined to be sent into outer darkness, and to avoided.
I’m sure this explains the bizarre behaviour of my family. One minute I’m staying with them and all is fine, they couldn’t be nicer. A few months later they are visiting and throwing subtle put downs at me in front of anyone. My SIL implied I did drugs. If it wasn’t all so insidious it would be hilarious.
Anyone else seen this?

Oh Eloheim YES I have seen that schizophrenic Mormon behavior. You are absolutely correct. On the one hand, "we love you so much...(crying)...please come back." Then a few minutes later, "well you will reap what you've sewn, we have taught you, we worry you will be a son of perdition, we will come visit you in the telestial kingdom."

The excommunication ritual aka "court of love" is actually a microcosm of exactly the behavior you speak of in a formalized setting. Six f-tards sit on one side of the room represtenting you (they love you), the other f-tards representing the church (they hate you). It is a ritualized sadomasochistic social display, where they denigrate, humiliate, and castigate literally on one side of the room, and the other cry about how much they love you.

I have witnessed this many times in my 40 years in the crazy Mormon cult. Crazy. Mormons crave the excommunication deep down...the crazy ones do anyway - and there are a lot of them.

Third of Five Wrote:
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> There seems to a lot of confusion in mormonism.
> They contradict themselves. On the one hand they
> want to save us and have us come back. On the
> other hand, we are terrible sinners, like unto the
> sons of perdition, destined to be sent into outer
> darkness, and to avoided.

You nailed it!

Since GC, the church PR dept works overtime to flood webpages (yahoo in particular) with endless articles regarding Nelson and their "plan to change the world." For many never-mos, it's really annoying to see these pro-mormon articles clogging up their news feed.

And if you go to straight to the comments, the morg apologists are bitchin' about the journalist's use of the word mormon in the article. They blissfully believe that the m-word causes people to throw mud at their beloved profit and church.

Umm...no. People correctly attack the church because the church always goes out of its way to EXCLUDE people.

-Example: Come see our beautiful temple, but we won't let you come inside. We won't even let all of our members attend unless they are all paid up in our little temple recommend club.

The church is a fraud. It divides families and hurts people.

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> We’re needed.

To punish for our sins.

. . . The Q15 want a bigger kingdom to rule over.

JC☺

About cleaning the toilets
When the bishop + his councilors + the stake president + his councilors show up to clean toilets the MAYBE I will join in

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> About cleaning the toilets
> When the bishop + his councilors + the stake
> president + his councilors show up to clean
> toilets the MAYBE I will join in

About cleaning the toilets ...

When the bishop and her councilors and the stake president and her councilors show up to clean toilets then MAYBE I will join in

Put their shoulder to their bowl fix their clog. Their duty is a john full of dog ….

I don't think that rhetoric is aimed at us. The vast majority of those who have fallen into inactivity have no interest in returning to the faith.

And, frankly, they don't want us back. Our terms--individual dignity, equality, some form of institutional responsibility--are as much a threat as ever. The only way they want us back is if we cease to be ourselves.

So why the "come home and we'll kill the fatted calf?"* Probably so the members think the church cares and is magnanimous, perhaps to encourage members to pressure us to return. But they know they aren't reaching us.




*Fine print: "Fatted calf" is for advertising purposes only. We do not have the resources to celebrate the return of people who, dammit, should have been paying tithing all along.

And we’re needed to teach the now becoming forgotten blood oaths. Or at least to help run a ‘road show’.

It’s interesting to watch what mormons do in terms of selecting those they think can be converted back. As I said before, I think their good works are only ever directed at those they believe can be reached “spiritually”. It’s what makes everything good that they do so transparently fake.
Since resigning over 10 years ago, the only times my TBM family members have seemed truly nice to me were when I went to stay with them and when they realised I was going to be a nurse during this pandemic. It feels that they have a very warped, black and white view of what constitutes a “good” person, and they also like to be in control.
Conversely, they have put all their effort into stealing my daughter from me, and specifically swooped in when she was depressed and used that as the moment to get her going back to church. They stated “but if you come back now it won’t be so bad”. Note the underlying rhetoric here: If she delayed further it will be worse for her in terms of judgement, and her leaving was a bad thing in gods eyes. It’s all so insidious. Luckily they didn’t succeed, but as she is still relatively young, they haven’t given up completely; they even still state they wish they could adopt her, even though she is now an adult. I wonder how long it will be before they grow colder once they realise she will never have interest due to her becoming her own person.

So the mormons pick on the weak, the young and impressionable, and are scared by those who have developed a strong sense of self. And if you are against the mormon church but are obviously seen as good by most other people, that’s when they get really confused.
As my therapist pointed out, mormons are confused. We are not.
I think it’s true that the church don’t want us back. This statement is for appearances only, and they know who easy targets are. They know the strife it will cause when mormons argue with their exmormon relatives, and they don’t care because it is us that suffer. My therapist made an important point: all of this behaviour if we have to endure it, is an extension of the spiritual abuse we have already suffered. I for one am working to cut this out of my life.



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