and cigarettes.

"In addressing people of color, Adams, who is black, recommended following the same practices often emphasized during the briefings, like staying six feet away from others and washing hands frequently, but added they should "avoid alcohol, tobacco and drugs."
"We need you to do this, if not for yourself, then for your abuela, do it for your granddaddy, do it for your Big Mama, do it for your pop pop," Adams said."

Basically adopt the Word of Wisdom.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/04/10/surgeon-general-tells-people-of-color-to-avoid-alcohol-drugs-to-protect-against-coronavirus-defends-big-mama-comments/#4e16e08574f9

Mormons should avoid ice cream.

Totally agree Lulu...

...as well as the Cheesecake Factory restaurant!!!

Or so it seems to me...

Funny how "essential businesses" are defined and regulated. Some people want gunshops closed. Other people want marijuana dispensaries opened! And some people want garden centers closed, or "non-essential hardware" aisles taped off. WTF?

So the surgeon general wants to hurt alcohol, tobacco, and drug companies ?

The Hispanics I know would interpret that as “so mota is okay”.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> and cigarettes.
>
> "In addressing people of color, Adams, who is
> black, recommended following the same practices
> often emphasized during the briefings, like
> staying six feet away from others and washing
> hands frequently, but added they should "avoid
> alcohol, tobacco and drugs."
> "We need you to do this, if not for yourself, then
> for your abuela, do it for your granddaddy, do it
> for your Big Mama, do it for your pop pop," Adams
> said."
>
> Basically adopt the Word of Wisdom.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/04/10/
> surgeon-general-tells-people-of-color-to-avoid-alc
> ohol-drugs-to-protect-against-coronavirus-defends-
> big-mama-comments/#4e16e08574f9



Schrodinger’s cat, what is you own opinion of this ?

Even as we speak, he's checking for an appropriate quotation from one of his personal ghawds!

elderolddog Wrote:
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> Even as we speak, he's checking for an appropriate
> quotation from one of his personal ghawds!

I don't have a personal ghawd.
I have wise men, geniuses, who I look up to,
unlike you.

None of them had anything to say about a global pandemic, like we're experiencing now.

So...

Despite the differences in our lives, you radiantly hovering above me, while I slog through my miserable, pathetic existence, we're currently in the same place!

Man, did I luck out!

elderolddog Wrote:
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> So...
>
> Despite the differences in our lives, you
> radiantly hovering above me, while I slog through
> my miserable, pathetic existence, we're currently
> in the same place!
>
> Man, did I luck out!

We all lucked out.
By being alive.
We landed in the middle of a Goldilocks Paradox.
Between Heaven, Cosmos, and Hell, the plasmaball we ride through the sky.

I like that you believe that if some nonsense is good, more is better! I, too, am an optimist.

"Plasmaball"

Sure, why not?

https://www.amazon.com/slp/plasma-ball/f7wjseqhx9wg7n4

elderolddog Wrote:
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> I like that you believe that if some nonsense is
> good, more is better! I, too, am an optimist.
>
> "Plasmaball"
>
> Sure, why not?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/slp/plasma-ball/f7wjseqhx9w
> g7n4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

https://phys.org/news/2012-10-science-northern.html

An aurora borealis (aurora australis in the Southern Hemisphere) is precipitated by explosions on the surface of the sun, sometimes starting as solar flares, said Robert Nemiroff, an astrophysicist at Michigan Technological University and coauthor of NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day website.

These flares release a burst of charged particles, or plasma, into the solar system. When they come our way, they whack into the Earth's magnetosphere, which is made up of its own stream of charged particles. That collision causes particles to break free of the magnetosphere and cascade toward the Earth's magnetic field lines, usually traveling toward the poles.

"The aurorae happen when these high-energy particles bap into atoms and molecules in the Earth's atmosphere, typically oxygen," Nemiroff said. Light is emitted as part of the reaction.

Those particles can also wreak havoc. "The plasma cloud can cause the Earth's magnetic field to fluctuate," Nemiroff said. "At worst, that can knock out satellites and even power grids."

elderolddog Wrote:
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> I like that you believe that if some nonsense is
> good, more is better! I, too, am an optimist.
>
> "Plasmaball"
>
> Sure, why not?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/slp/plasma-ball/f7wjseqhx9w
> g7n4


The molten iron center of the Earth is 5,700°C, as hot as the sun, which is a ball of plasma. We're riding inside it's heliosphere, inside of a magnetosphere, that is connected to the sun and the moon, magnetically, electrically, gravitationally.

http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=64

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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>
> The molten iron center of the Earth is 5,700°C,
> as hot as the sun, which is a ball of plasma.
> We're riding inside it's heliosphere, inside of a
> magnetosphere, that is connected to the sun and
> the moon, magnetically, electrically,
> gravitationally.
>
> http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=64


Well, you've got the documentation, so no more going barefoot for me!

> The molten iron center of the Earth is 5,700°C,
> as hot as the sun, which is a ball of plasma.

Think about that for a second. Is it even remotely plausible that the sun, fueled by massive and constant fission, is the same temperature as the core of the Earth?

The truth is that while the surface of the sun is, at roughly 5,800 degrees Kelvin, similar to the temperature in the core of the earth, the core of the sun is a balmy 16 million degrees Kelvin. So the sun is in fact about 27,000 times as hot as the hottest spot on earth. That is why it is a sphere of plasma and Earth isn't.

Now THAT makes sense, doesn't it?

I’ve heard evolution likened to a tornado ripping through a junkyard and producing a wristwatch. Ok, so? If the evidence says that’s what happened then that’s what happened. In other words, a miracle.

You are clueless about evolution.

+1

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> I’ve heard evolution likened to a tornado
> ripping through a junkyard and producing a
> wristwatch. Ok, so? If the evidence says that’s
> what happened then that’s what happened. In
> other words, a miracle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lii2x6Nk8Bg

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> Schrodinger’s cat, what is you own opinion of
> this ?

Thanks for asking.
My opinion is that the virus is nature finding balance and we need to find balance with nature, individually and collectively, in order to beat this disease.
Nature wants a balance.
When we're out of balance with nature, it smacks us up alongside the head with something like a global pandemic, to wake us TF up. When people are stupid enough to eat Pangolins and Bats, KNOWING that they carry Covid 19, and oter viruses that are as deadly to us as smallpox was to Native Americans, we deserve what we get. I think it's stupid to eat endangered species. It's like how many canaries can we kill in the coalmine and expect to survive?
I think all the other species on this planet would be better off without humans, except rats, crows, cockroaches and seagulls, they like having us around, mainly because of all the garbage we leave laying around.
I think its entirely possible that Mother Nature sees humans as the disease on the planet, threatening the other far more ancient species on this planet with extinction, and Covid 19 is the natural, predictable, testable outcome of eating closely related mammals, which carry viruses that are increadibly deadly to humans.
I think Wet Markets should be considred a terrorist threat, on a level with Nuclear Arms. If China can ruin somebody's life for having more than one kid, they can sure as hell ruin somebody's life for doing stupid shit like eating endangered species.

"...Mother Nature sees humans as the disease on the planet..."

Mother Nature should get together with Santa Claus and study the wise men of humanity so as to come up with a solution we can all live with! Because as things stand now, Mother Nature seems to be doing a really crappy job, a real hit or miss thing! She needs to load us in a hand cart and take us to the promised land.

I think when the virus is better controlled, it will be a fair topic of conversation between U.S. and European diplomats, and Chinese diplomats, about changes that need to happen in the wet markets. There has simply been too much damage for this series of conversations not to happen. It is not just CV-19, but also SARS.

The press is abuzz with the news that the Chinese government has within the past 24 hours, changed the status of dogs and cats from livestock to PETS!

I kid you not!!


Equines everywhere are getting their hopes up!

> When people are
> stupid enough to eat Pangolins and Bats, KNOWING
> that they carry Covid 19, and oter viruses that
> are as deadly to us as smallpox was to Native
> Americans, we deserve what we get.

Right? By the same token people should not raise and eat pigs, cows, chickens, ducks, and other farm animals that pass dangerous pathogens to humans. Nor should anyone keep dogs, cats, rabbits, or other pets that harbor and transmit illnesses to humans.

Zoonosis.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> > When people are
> > stupid enough to eat Pangolins and Bats,
> KNOWING
> > that they carry Covid 19, and oter viruses that
> > are as deadly to us as smallpox was to Native
> > Americans, we deserve what we get.
>
> Right? By the same token people should not raise
> and eat pigs, cows, chickens, ducks, and other
> farm animals that pass dangerous pathogens to
> humans. Nor should anyone keep dogs, cats,
> rabbits, or other pets that harbor and transmit
> illnesses to humans.
>
> Zoonosis.

I was vegan long before this crisis, but I'm really glad I am, not only for the health reasons, but for other, ethical reasons.

Well, as long as you don't have pets since they perform exactly the same role as other zoonotic intermediaries.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> Lot's Wife Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > When people are
> > > stupid enough to eat Pangolins and Bats,
> > KNOWING
> > > that they carry Covid 19, and oter viruses
> that
> > > are as deadly to us as smallpox was to Native
> > > Americans, we deserve what we get.
> >
> > Right? By the same token people should not
> raise
> > and eat pigs, cows, chickens, ducks, and other
> > farm animals that pass dangerous pathogens to
> > humans. Nor should anyone keep dogs, cats,
> > rabbits, or other pets that harbor and transmit
> > illnesses to humans.
> >
> > Zoonosis.
>
> I was vegan long before this crisis, but I'm
> really glad I am, not only for the health reasons,
> but for other, ethical reasons.

Just curious.... what would those ethical reasons be? Have I been flaunting Ghawds laws all this time as I ate filet mignon?
Oh tell me, do.

saucie Wrote:
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> Just curious.... what would those ethical reasons
> be? Have I been flaunting Ghawds laws all this
> time as I ate filet mignon?
> Oh tell me, do.

You mean other than all the viruses that come from birds(Bird Flu) and pigs(Swine Flu) and cows(Mad Cow Disease)?

I really don't think it's good to eat other mammals that are closely related to us and have viruses that are transferable to us and could cause a pandemic. I especially don't think it's good to eat Bats and Pangolines, which we KNOW have Covid 19, but stupid people are going to do it anyways. It should be considred a terrorist threat to eat them. It's like us telling the Native Americans, Hey,these blankets have Smallpox all over them and will kill you and most of your tribe and your entire nation and spread all over the word, want one?
And having them say, "Can I have two blankets?"



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I would have to try Pangolins and Bats to see if they are actually worth it.

The last pandemic like this (actually worse) was in 1918 during World War I. That could have been a precedent as far as Gaia goes. The timing seems mystical there too.

Unlike now, the aftermath of the 1918 Pandemic had the roaring 20s. I think now is a different time. We are in a new energy now. Old ways are no longer sustainable. Debt peonage isn’t going to work in the post 2012 era, which is why we’re going to see a major restructuring play out. The events of the last few months should put to rest any conspiracy theories. No conspiracy could bungle this on such a massive scale. But maybe the new economy will be much more efficient with the dead wood burned off and we’ll have another roaring 20s.

I subscribe to Liebniz’s view that we live in the best of all possible worlds. Even when it’s bad it’s the best. The best thing we can do is to not give in to fear.



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As long as he is dishing out advice....

They should lose weight and exercise

They should pick different parents so they don't have hypertension or sickle cell anemia.

Stay off public transit.

They should pick white collar jobs so they can more likely work from home. Hourly wage jobs usually require your physical presence.

They should pick white collar jobs which are more likely to have sick leave, and employer paid health insurance.

They should pick white collar jobs because they are less likely to get laid off.

They should live in bigger houses with fewer people and tell grandma to get out and find her own place.

Wash your hands a lot and stay home.

Do all that and you will have the same infection rate as everyone else, "everyone else" meaning college educated white people.


Some of that they actually can and should do. But circumstances of job type, housing and transportation are kind of baked in, which means a lot of people are going to have a higher infection rate than average.

Ironically, a lot of highly educated health care professionals are finding themselves in the same "high infection potential" boat. I have a friend who is an anesthesiologist. I just read what they have to do to hook up ventilators to people. OMG!

>>I have a friend who is an anesthesiologist. I just read what they have to do to hook up ventilators to people. OMG!

A day or two ago on a TV interview, one NYC ER doc said that he had intubated ten people on his most recent shift, and he had never intubated that many patients on one shift before.



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I saw that interview. I can remember my mother, the least compassionate nurse ever, telling me about intubating people. She would have aides come in and physically restrain the people's hands and hold their heads steady so they wouldn't thrash around while she rammed the tubes down their throats.

I got the impression that people got the panicky feeling that they couldn't breathe while the tube was being inserted, and that's why they tried to resist. It sounded very, very nasty.

I'm getting the impression that getting intubated and choking to death start out feeling exactly the same!

I could never be a porn actress.

Hi EOD. I is, it’s very, very uncomfortable, both going in, and coming out. You really wonder if it’s worth it.

I have a close relative who was intubated for several weeks. When he came out of it--they weren't sure he would--he changed his living will or whatever it was to state that he would rather die than ever have one of those things stuck in him again.

I agree.
One reason America has become the epicenter, is because we're out of shape.
We're obese and we smoke, which leads to heart/lung/diabetes, which greatly increase the likelihood you're going to die from it if you get it.
It also highlights the racism in America, which leaves minorities down wind from pollution sources, experience homelessness at twice the national average, are half as likely to have health insurance as average and have about 1/10th the income as whites, on average.

"In places like Michigan, black Americans comprise 14.1 percent of the state population, but an ungodly 40 percent of coronavirus deaths. In Washtenaw County, home to Ann Arbor, 48 percent of residents hospitalized with the coronavirus are black, though black people make up only 11 percent of the county. In Illinois, the infection rate among black Americans is twice their percentage of the state population. In North Carolina’s Mecklenburg County, which includes Charlotte, black people comprise 32.9 percent of the residents, but 43.9 of the confirmed coronavirus cases, as of March 30. In Milwaukee, black Americans make up 26 percent of the county, but nearly half of the infections and a maddening 81 percent of deaths as of Friday."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-exposing-our-racial-divides/609526/

I heard a man on radio today who was relating his recent experience with CV and being put on a ventilator. He had many of the symptoms and went to ER asking for the test. For whatever reason they not only didn't test him but discharged him. The very next day he had to return to ER as he was "struggling to breathe" and was told he had CV. He said when they told him he was going to be placed on a ventilator he was very scared and "said a big Hail Mary" as he wanted to live to see his son grow up and said he had read that many people on ventilators don't survive (due to the severity of their disease).

He had a weak little voice and a cough still since he had been extubated a few days ago.

He said that prior to the procedure they sedated him so he was unconscious and also administered a "paralytic" medication so he wouldn't move as they were inserting the tube. He wasn't conscious for that part, which is reassuring if you're in that situation.

I can't imagine being conscious while being intubated. Tough for staff to perform the procedure. Worse for the poor patient.

In his case, hey, he survived, so he'll take it. And it was carried out mercifully and obviously to good effect.

Dr. Jerome Adams worked his way up in the world, gaining scholarships to both his undergraduate school and medical school, so my bet is that he has deep connections to impoverished communities of color. One thing that I like about him is that he is willing to change his mind based on new evidence (re: needle exchanges during an AIDS epidemic, and on wearing masks during CV-19.)

I've worked with impoverished black and Latino communities for many years, so I am well aware of their health issues. One huge issue is proper nutrition. For many, the corner market with limited canned and boxed food stocks, and take-out fried food, is the only market open within walking distance. Poor nutrition can contribute to obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Poor people often do not have health insurance from their jobs, and do not have adequate access to health care. Yes, alcohol and drug abuse are common. Untreated mental health issues are also common.

I think that the surgeon general is talking from a place of compassion. I think he has a good heart. I think he is trying to talk to poor people of color in a manner and language to which they can relate.

This makes sense. The Surgeon General title is usually only reserved for doctor/prophet types just before they declare war on a printing press for spewing out false information.

Salt Lake Tribune, your days are numbered.

But he should have included whites if he is going to tell the Black people to do it. If he thinks these things are making it easier to get sick, then everyone should be doing it.

Wow! I hadn't read the other replies before I responded.

I'm overweight, have diabetes, and high blood pressure. I need to do better I know. I became overweight when I found out my husband was cheating. Although being overweight is prominent in my dad's family. As well as high blood pressure, but not diabetes. My dad had it. None of his siblings or parents did and they were more overweight than my dad. My disabled brother doesn't have diabetes and he is more overweight than the 3 of us who do have diabetes. So maybe I should have "picked" diferent parents.



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That's why I listen to the Sturgeon General. All he says is glub, glub, but I don't have to give anything up over it.

The surgeon general sounds like a real wet blanket. I'll hang

with the blacks and hispanics.

He is black. That's the point.

"It also highlights the racism in America, which leaves minorities down wind from pollution sources, experience homelessness at twice the national average, are half as likely to have health insurance as average and have about 1/10th the income as whites, on average."

The old conspiracy theory. Racist folks somehow conspire to hold minorities down. I suppose racism also causes the black on black crime?

You might read the black economics professor Walter Williams.

https://www.lubbockonline.com/opinion/20180801/williams-how-to-avoid-poverty-is-no-mystery/1

quote
Poverty is no mystery, and it’s easily avoidable. The poverty line that the Census Bureau used in 2016 for a single person was an income of $12,486 that year. For a two-person household, it was $16,072, and for a four-person household, it was $24,755. To beat those poverty thresholds is fairly simple. Here’s the road map: Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen.

How about some numbers? A single person taking a minimum wage job would earn an annual income of $15,080. A married couple would earn $30,160. By the way, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, less than 4 percent of hourly workers in 2016 were paid the minimum wage. That means that over 96 percent of workers earned more than the minimum wage. Not surprising is the fact that among both black and white married couples, the poverty rate is in the single digits. Most poverty is in female-headed households.

end quote

And most black households are without fathers, since the so-called war on poverty started in the 60's. Don't need men when you can get a government check.

So people prefer government checks, and politicians and bureaucrats love handing them out. All sorts of money made off the system in the name of ending poverty.

It's refreshing to know that no matter the context, every single one of your pests will end up being some ignorant sounding referendum on the evils of women, and in this context, explaining to us why black people are responsible for their own problems. by the way, white people are responsible for black-on-black crimes (not sure why the race or skin color of an individual merits mentioning when talking about crimes, but I digress). Systemic racism in education, employment opportunities, the criminal justice system, and pretty much everywhere, which has only just recently started to be fixed, explains a lot of why so much crime is committed in the black community. I don't know if it explains all of it, and over time it may not even explain begin to explain the majority of it, but yea hopefully by then crime rates will go down.

Can you just go away? The only time you ever post is when you use the thread or someone else's comment as a jumping off point for you to espouse misogynistic/racist/some other kind of offensive horseshit. In this way you don't contribute anything meaningful to this forum, and I'm pretty comfortable saying that almost, if not every single person who is aware of your postings wants you to go away.

Normally one hangs out with people of the same persuasion and the common themes are reinforced as they chatter. But in this case we have what I call a stink bomber.

I don't pretend to understand stink bombers, but I know them when I see it them.

To be fair, I'm not judging the content, just the context.

Stink bombing.

elderolddog Wrote:
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> Stink bombing.

I know you and I disagree on existential questions, but on this we can agree.

But I don't agree that incel opinions like Free Man's and MacA Romney's need to be censored.
What a crisis reveals is the authentic nature of people.
It draws the proudly crazy out into the open. gathered together, i'ts the most beautiful sight in a pandemic's eye.
They believe they'll have herd immunity,
when the war knocks on their door.
While the war is here.
in the herd.
The herd is the killer.

And the war is on the
Inside.

Time will tell.
Time is the only master.
Turning Our 3-D Reality

into Four,

And the seven beyond it,

Where our math starts to add up.

E=m/C^2

Dark Energy/Dark Matter = Lamda,

the Cosmological Constant

WHat Einstein called, "perhaps my greatest blunder",

Turns out, now, 30 years after launch of the Hubbel Telescome, to be his greatest discovery about the nature of the universe.

And it just so happens the Zen Buddhists were right all along,

Yin/Yang=Tao



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Graduating from high school can be a huge hurdle for poor, urban children due to no fault of their own. Some have to dodge bullets on the way to school. Many have poor nutrition due to a lack of grocery options in their neighborhood. Poor families often hop from neighborhood to neighborhood, and school to school causing disruptions in learning. One or both parents may have an untreated mental or physical health issue due to no insurance (a lot of jobs still do not provide health insurance.) If the family car breaks down, they may have no way of getting the kids to school. I could probably give you dozens of other reasons why pretty much everything is more difficult for poor families. And by the way, as an urban teacher, I have seen ALL of the above, multiple times.

In my experience, poor children who graduate from high school (against enormous odds,) have fought ten times as hard to get their education as a middle-class child. They richly deserve every break and every scholarship that they can get.

So it is not as simple as you think. If it were simple, we'd be doing it already.

Thank you, summer.

Your words of understanding are very much appreciated, especially by me.

[This issue, to me, is very personal. I lucked out in an enormous way (I received one of the very best educations available in the entire USA), but the kids who were moving in, moving into the neighborhood where I first grew up, to the very house I first lived in, would be getting what amounted to some of the worst educations. The comparison is so stark that it is always somewhere near in my conscious awareness.]

In speaking to the Lamanites and the Post-1978ites, the Surgeon General borrowed a page from Cliff Notes highlighted with a lightpen. He promised that if they would do these things it would be a sign until the Lawd that they would receive health in their abuelas' navels and strength in the loins of their Pop Pop and their Big Momma would run up the stairs and not be weary.

There! I corrected the title.

The ultimate definition of White Privilege.

Why ?

"he ended up doing little more than offending the people he was trying to reach. “We do not think people of color are biologically or genetically predisposed to get COVID-19,” Adams said, practically sounding a warning siren that he was about to say something demeaning. “There is nothing inherently wrong with you,” the doctor said, “but they are socially predisposed to coronavirus exposure and to have a higher incidence of the very diseases that put you at risk for severe complications of coronavirus.”

"...Mother Nature sees humans as the disease on the planet..."


Mother Nature would have been much happier with our human lot if she had sprinkled in a few more Capricorns.

Ha!

kathleen Wrote:
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> Mother Nature would have been much happier with
> our human lot if she had sprinkled in a few more
> Capricorns.

:D

[My still-very-much, beloved, and now long deceased, paternal Grandma was a Capricorn--as is my sister. I learned a long time ago: Cappies are way good people.]