https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/chad-daybell-lori-vallow-idaho-missing-children/index.html

https://localnews8.com/news/2020/06/09/search-warrant-served-at-daybell-residence/

Chad Daybell has been taken into custody after human remains were found on his Idaho property Tuesday morning, Rexburg Police Assistant Chief Gary Hagen said at a news conference.

Daybell is the husband of Lori Vallow, whose two children have been missing since September.
Hagen said that "detectives and investigators have recovered what is believed to be human remains that have not been identified at this time," according to video provided by CNN affiliate KIFI/KIDK.
"Chad Daybell has been taken into custody for questioning," Hagen said.
Hagen offered no further details.


Vallow and Daybell left their Rexburg home when investigators started looking into Tylee and Joshua's disappearance, police have said.
Vallow, 46, has been in custody since she was extradited from Hawaii in March. She faces multiple charges, including two felony counts of desertion and nonsupport of children, according to a criminal complaint filed with an Idaho court.

Her bail remains at $1 million, though it had been reduced in March from $5 million. A two-day preliminary hearing is scheduled to begin July 9.
Daybell and Vallow married in Kauai, Hawaii, on November 5, and returned there December 1.
CNN had previously reached out to Daybell's attorney, Sean Bartholick, but had not heard back. Bartholick no longer represents Daybell. It's unclear whether he has an attorney.


Vallow's children were last seen at different times.
Tylee Ryan, 17, has not been seen since she visited Yellowstone National Park on September 8 with her brother Joshua "J.J." Vallow, 7, mother and uncle Alex Cox, according to authorities.
Joshua was last seen at a school in Idaho later that month.

J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan were last seen in September.
Lori Vallow moved to Idaho from Arizona just a couple of months before police began searching for her children.
Joshua attended Kennedy Elementary School in Rexburg, Idaho, for several weeks before his mother told the school she was going to home-school him, last attending on September 23, according to a court affidavit.
Police in Rexburg conducted a child welfare check in late November, after relatives told them that no one had spoken to Joshua in two months. They said they were told by Vallow and Daybell that the boy had been staying with a family friend in Arizona.
The couple were found in Hawaii in January and served with a search warrant. Vallow was given a deadline to turn the children over to authorities, a court order served by police said.


The disappearances followed other investigations authorities had conducted around Vallow and Daybell.
Daybell's ex-wife, Tammy Daybell, was found dead in her home in mid-October. Authorities initially ruled her death as natural, but then deemed it suspicious. They had her remains exhumed to conduct an autopsy.
Vallow's estranged husband was shot and killed in July during a fight with Vallow's brother in Arizona before her move.
Details about the motive weren't immediately available, but her brother was not charged in the case. He died in December, CNN affiliate KIFI/KIDK reported. His cause of death has not yet been released.
After their marriage, Vallow and Daybell told witnesses Tylee Ryan "had died a year before the death of her father, which is untrue," police said. Daybell also told someone Vallow had "no minor children," police said.

With the spree these two have been on I wonder if it is one or both of the kids or someone else.

That's what I was wondering...it could be remains of any number of people.

It was confirmed the bodies were the two children, both by the mayor and during the hearing that was televised.

What on earth took the authorities this long to thoroughly search his property I wonder?
On the news they showed an aerial view of his lot. It kind of looks like they were showing a place by a possible firepit.

dagny Wrote:
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> What on earth took the authorities this long to
> thoroughly search his property I wonder?
> On the news they showed an aerial view of his lot.
> It kind of looks like they were showing a place by
> a possible firepit.

That boggles my mind. I have been thinking they had searched his property months ago. I am sometimes baffled about how police can work so slow, especially when the welfare of children are at stake. It reminds me of the case of Jessica Lunsford in Florida. We moved from that community just a few months before she was murdered, and my daughter actually knew Jessica, although only superficially. Jessica was kidnapped and murdered by a convicted child sex offender, named John Couey, who lived less than 100 yards from her home. This guy also had an outstanding warrant from Georgia, so police had full authority to enter and search his home, even without a search warrant. While Jessica was still alive in Couey's home, the police did a simple knock on the door and ask if he had known anything about her disappearance. Despite police tracking dogs indicating she had been there, his child sex conviction, and the outstanding arrest warrant from Georgia, the police walked away from that home, while she was alive and locked in a closet in a bedroom. After the police had focused their attention on Jessica's father, Couey murdered Jessica by burying her alive in his yard. She died simply because the police were too lazy to take five minutes and search the home of a convicted sex offender with an outstanding arrest warrant who lived within eyesight of the missing girl's home.

Wow. How sad.
How hard would it have been to walk the tracking dog around everywhere on a suspect's property? I just don't get it.

I suspect the answer lies in probable cause. The police would need a warrant to do that search, and if the defendants refused to cooperate that would mean they needed enough independent evidence to meet the preponderance test.

My guess is that one of Chad's friends told the police something s/he had heard and that the cops took that to a judge, who considered it probable cause and authorized the search.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> I suspect the answer lies in probable cause. The
> police would need a warrant to do that search, and
> if the defendants refused to cooperate that would
> mean they needed enough independent evidence to
> meet the preponderance test.
>
> My guess is that one of Chad's friends told the
> police something s/he had heard and that the cops
> took that to a judge, who considered it probable
> cause and authorized the search.

With regards to the Daybell case, I would think missing children would be enough probable cause to search the home of their parent, especially when the parent and her spouse were being investigated in connection to other deaths.

No. It is precisely to protect people who are being investigated that the constitutional prohibitions are enforced.

You need probable cause to arrest someone, then more probable cause to obtain a warrant to conduct a search against their wishes. My guess is the police arrested the happy couple, who then denied any information about the kids as well as requests for permission to search the home and yard.

The police would then have needed to find additional reason to believe the specific evidence they sought was on the premises. It is tempting to believe that that evidence came from the same friends who are now urging Chad to do the right thing.

slight correction: more PC is needed to arrest someone at their home and/or search their property.

If there's a lesser degree of PC, a person not at their home can be arrested, it's not completely Black/White as some think.

I'm not sure what this means. "Probable cause" is "more probable than not." The standard is uniform and does not change from scenario to scenario.

Yes, it makes me wonder if there was some deals being made with Vallow and she might have given up some info.

For awhile I wanted so badly to believe that the kids had been stashed away in some doomsday bunker and would still be found. Could not believe a mother could be so callously living her life in Hawaii if she'd buried her kids. But as time went on, it became pretty evident that the kids were dead and Vallow and Daybell both knew the whole scoop. I am just glad that the families, especially JJ's grandparents will finally get some answers and hopefully some closure when the trials are over and they're put away for good.

Lurching forward, one step at a time:

I just heard that the Human Remains have been ID'd as being those of "children."


Will Chad and Lori hold off answering questions until Jesus shoes up in six weeks, or will they explain the process they're going through, knowing full well everybody but their believers will be scoffing? <scoff-scoff>

And now a story has it that JJ's grandmother has said that authorities have confirmed to her that JJ is one of the bodies.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/6/10/21286576/police-remains-idaho-property-chad-daybell-charged-concealing-evidence-rexburg-lds-lori-vallow

"Although authorities have not yet publicly identified the remains, JJ’s grandmother Kay Woodcock confirmed that one set belongs to the boy, the East Idaho News reported"

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> And now a story has it that JJ's grandmother has
> said that authorities have confirmed to her that
> JJ is one of the bodies.


this is so heartbreaking to hear. Those poor kids never had a break with her as a "mother".

What if Lori finally got tired of being locked up and gave up the information?

excellent thought; there remains in most humans a (sometimes slight) desire to tell the truth, to unburden themselves; this is a case where law enforcement ability to read the psyche of subjects comes into play, Knowing when to ask which questions (if they haven't lawyered up).

What if Chad made a deal and is blaming Lori? The two charges are just for hiding bodies and have a maximum of 5 years each. They didn’t charge him with murder or manslaughter. That makes me think he made a deal to turn on her. 10 years is just not enough for justice for the kids.

Ten years is a long time to spend among women (not all of them ladies) who know you killed your own children.

the cops aren't (all) dumb; any 'deal' would be very closely vetted by the prosecutor. I wouldn't be surprised if the county prosecutor has either hired more employees and/or brought in people from the state and/or other counties...

They will try to maintain the image of other junior cases not being ignored or down-played, but ???



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Police officers aren't involved in plea deals. They are negotiated solely by prosecutors.

prosecutors communicate with the police as to the details / circumstances of the incident, both written & verbal information; to say they 'aren't involved' at some point isn't truthful, doesn't portray the complete picture.

You said the prosecutor would carefully "vet" any plea agreement, suggesting that s/he would review someone else's negotiation. That is not correct.

The police provide their evidence to the prosecutors, who then negotiate the plea with the defendant. There is typically no reference back to the police or, sadly, to the victim of the crime.

Cops aren't involved in the negotiations at all. In fact, they can't be since that would prevent them from testifying in any trial.

BY 'VETTED' I said examined. In serious cases, often more than 1 prosecutor would double-check the proposed agreement, that's Vetting.

Oh come on. You said "vet," not "examine." You said "the prosecutor," not "prosecutors."

You can stay with your original inaccurate statement or revise that statement to correct it, but you can't reasonably do the latter and call it the former.

this back-and-forth is ridiculous.

each trying to convince the other of inane, minor insignificant words / semantics as if we're in a courtroom trying to convince a judge or jury, I'm outta this discussion!

Just like you. Say something stupid, defend it with more stupidity, then announce that you are above it all and run away.

It's all so much easier if you just say, "yeah, I spoke too loosely."

My words mean anything I want them to and I reserve the right to be offended if you don't understand them.

Way to bring it all back on topic. Lewis Carroll was a militant Atheist before becoming one of Christianity’s strongest supporters by incorporating its themes in his stories.

Lewis Carroll?

The lion and the witch are going to lock you in the wardrobe for that.



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Chad & Lori had First gone to their Bishop & made a sincere, contrite confession ...

The bishop, together with others, would then tout their 'repentance & sorrows' to others, tried to mitigate the consequences for them.


Yup, that's how things work in Morland.

On the ksl comments my friend suggested checking the Vallow/Daybell yards and ksl didn't print it. Proof all Mormons stick together. Ksl is Mormon owned and Lori and Chad are part of the most corrupt version of mormonism. This is part of why it took so long.

Do you really believe that it occurred to no one in Rexburg that the kids might be buried on Chad Daybell's farm? That if only KSL had printed that suggestion they would have been found sooner? That's preposterous.

Media is reporting that a neighbor saw large bonfires on the property. Once in the fall, once in the spring.

The cops used this to get a search warrant and found the buried remains in the area of the bonfires.

As grizzly as all this is, Lori Vallow could be found mentally incompetent to stand trial.



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That's a pretty high bar, isn't it?

AFAIK competency just means she understands the charges against her and is lucid enough to communicate with her lawyer and help in her defense. She is lucid (or at least was when she was out) proven by the fact that she knew she needed to hide what really happened, and by her ability to come up with cover stories to try to do that.

Unless her mental state has diminished while in custody, IMO she will be determined to be mentally competent.