During the protests last week, a dozen hardcore anarchists broke into a Congressman's office in Chicago, where they stole food and drink and even took naps while other rioters looted just outside the windows.

The law-and-order crowd should be infuriated about this burglary and the concomitant disrespect for both private property and the federal government.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/11/chicago-police-lounged-bobby-rushs-burglarized-office-amid-looting/5343896002/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/chicago-cops-made-popcorn-drank-coffee-napped-inside-us-rep-bobby-rushs-office-as-protests-raged

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/police-officers-lounged-in-rushs-office-while-rioters-pillaged-on-chicagos-south-side-313797

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-looting-popcorn-20200611-je3afw3lxbhknicv37ijnncgkq-story.html



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I loves me some good anarchists.

We'll see if they get away with it.

What's the difference between an antisocial anarchist and good old fun and games?

Power.

If they were paid more, they wouldn't have resorted to such desperate action, pilfering food!

We are all underpaid.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> We are all underpaid.


Or maybe our money has been inflated to the point that it's squeezing 'all of us' due to the Fed running the printing presses 24/7 which is why prices you see from decades ago seem ridiculously low

What were your wages decades ago ? You need to factor that in.

Inflation?? This isn't the 1970s, Mr. van Winkle.

With respect, caffiend, I don't think this is funny. If the burglars were black men and someone called the police, the event would probably have turned out differently--immediate arrests, charges, sentences, and if a gun were seen, bloodshed. The outcome could thus have reprised the Breona Taylor tragedy, where an innocent nurse was killed by police who did not announce themselves when they broke into the wrong apartment.

The police must obey the law, and they must treat people the same regardless of race. If they cannot do that, they should be in jail like any other criminals.

What we are seeing on the streets and in people's homes is not fun and games; it is Third World stuff. The United States must get its police under control or give up all pretense of global leadership.

Let's not forget the open-early crowd who waved Confederate flags and carried AR-15s *inside the Michigan Capitol building* in full view of the assembled legislators, in a clear attempt to intimidate. What would the response have been if instead it had been two dozen armed black guys that had marched into the building instead? The things that pass for heads at Fox News would have exploded.

White privilege: the ability to bring semi-automatics into a government building and not be blood-atoned on the spot.

What are their grievances? Isn’t every criminal a valuable resource on determining where society is failing?

Doesn’t your rhetoric give away your classism? I mean “hardcore anarchists” doesn’t get much more transparent. Anarchists just want to be left alone to live in peace. If they’re violent, by definition they’re not anarchists. They’re a mob.

Besides all that, anyone familiar with Mormon history should be able to see that a mob isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

I guess we need to add "anarchist" to the list of words you do not understand.

You refuse to examine your own indoctrination? Well, I suppose you should. To the victors go the spoils is good enough for you? Because that’s Mormon doctrine in a nut shell. The land you live on and claim as private property was rightfully stolen from its original inhabitants because their pagan view of the divinity intrinsic in nature, which made the concept of private property morally reprehensible to them, rendered them unworthy stewards of their own land.

Do you realize my post was ironic? I don't think you do.

I’m kinda dense that way.

-archy. a combining form meaning “rule,” “government”.
Technically, Anarchy just means without government just like Atheist means "without theism". Putting an "A" in front of a word negates the word.

I meant "anarchist," which has a somewhat different meaning. But it's probably a fruitless endeavor given that a lot of this stuff goes right over bradley's head.



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My head is always in the clouds. I like the 30,000 foot view. What I see is the chickens coming home to roost. Sowing terror abroad produces the same back home. “They” didn’t bring the war to us, we brought it to ourselves. But it’s a little late to put the bullet back in the gun. The law of the harvest doesn’t play favorites. It just is. Tell me how we deserve either peace or security? I mean we do, but our beliefs tie us to our debts so karma will have its run whether we like it or not. The fall of empires isn’t pretty, but isn’t it exciting to see history in the making?

I’ll say it again. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. God has me. Always did, always will. I don’t need no stinking church.

Not to be confused with "nihilist".

To less-than-White-skinned people, in reading of this event, there is not much in the way of a Surprise! factor, such as you Whities may now be experiencing, getting up to speed on what we were already aware of, one way or another.

In the case of cops, the real trouble starts with the combination of an existing prejudice and the doting of Absolute (at least perceived) Power. Put the two together and of course there's going to be trouble! Hire a Bubba and you're going to get Bubba behavior.

Ordinary employees can't cause their employer much in the way of trouble. Termination awaits them if they do. If there's no record/video of an overt act of prejudice, an employee might keep his job in a he-said/the-other-guy-said situation, but after a couple more such accusations, the pattern might result in the employee's dismissal.

But when you're a cop, a White cop especially, your word is always accepted and minority accusers are always lying. Ah, the stories I could tell!

Power corrupts...

What's it like to always have your contested word accepted? It's corrupting!

So if you're prejudiced, and you feel that people who are the focus of your prejudice are bad, when you lie about them, it's okay because you're just making sure that ALL the things they do wrong when they're not being watched are getting punished. You are convinced that you're not lying, rather you're balancing the scales.

Sworn officers are given power over other humans and we know what power can do. Even the good cops know about The Power, and sometimes it can be tempting.

Do you know how many police officers break speed limits when driving their personal vehicles? I want to say 100%... Because for them, the chances of actually getting a ticket are very, very, very slim.

For LAPD officers, they didn't even have to say anything. They pull out the drivers license and the cop who pulled them over would see 150 N. Los Angeles St., Los Angeles, CA 90012 as the home address (It's changed now.) and knows that that driver is an LAPD officer, and then they'd jaw a little, or a lot, and then the LAPD officer would go on his merry way. (I have zero experience when it comes to female officers.)

Power corrupts even the best of human beings. Why allow yourself to look weak or indecisive when whatever decision you make is likely to be upheld? The belief, "I can do no wrong" really does exist among sworn officers. And even when they know they're in the wrong, Hey! they put their lives on the line EVERY DAY! So where's the harm in a little lie about some minority person, balanced against the officer standing between polite society and open rebellion?

And then there's the "us v. them" syndrome. Non-cops are seen as less than 'the best' for the simple reason that they're not cops! Cops know that a significant segment of the White population does not adulate them and that an overwhelming segment of minority populations expect the worst from them. So cops learn to expect push-back, and usually, they are ready to swing (shoot) first before things can get too frisky.

Find yourself a friendly minority and ask him or her about first-hand and second-hand experiences with cops. Hopefully, you're sitting down so that you're legs don't get tired as the stories continue to flow... Some of you won't be able to do this, so feel free to email me!

I have formed the opinion that cops who move up in the ranks become more reliable, more responsible, and thus better at interacting with their 'clientele'. But they remember what it was like to be a street cop, and sometimes they even like to tell stories!

Back in the day when talking about an arrest, a favorite phrase was, "...and he kept falling down!" And the other cops would all laugh and you could see the pride: Captor, judge and jury. Hey, it's dirty job, but someone's got to do it or we'll have anarchy!



And for all of that, I get along with cops, which is just an aspect of my ability to pretty much get along with everyone. I know not to push their buttons, I know to smile and keep eye contact and my hands where they can see them, until they chill out.

I was going to say that it's like learning how to handle someone's hyperactive pitbull; maybe it's an art form? I don't really know. Saucie thinks it's because I'm too lazy to hold onto random grudges.

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> I was going to say that it's like learning how to
> handle someone's hyperactive pitbull;

Dog whispering when it ain't your dog is a super power. Just ask the people who carry dog treats for other people's dogs.

It’s amazing what you can do with a box of Krispy Kremes.

That made me do a double-take...

Well played, based on an oldie but a goodie!!

I have to admit I stole it from Fluffy.

That from a man who has spent more hours investigating crimes than anyone else on the board including, I suspect, caffiend.

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> The law-and-order crowd should be infuriated about
> this burglary and the concomitant disrespect for
> both private property and the federal government.

You're right.

We should eliminate all police and then arrest them.

Umm ... wait

With most people I wouldn't have to ask, but did you or the straw man win?

I think you missed the point.

But anyway to be serious, if the story is true they should be disciplined and the costs of the damage they did be taken from either the department's budget and/or their own pay.

I didn't miss the point. If they did what it appears they did, they belong in jail.

The United States is a First World country and deserves a First World police force. Eliminate the criminals, shut down the unions, establish appropriate oversight and training, and pay the officers what they deserve.

No one here is advocating the "elimination of all police," as you claim. THAT is a straw man. It detracts from reasoned discussion of serious issues.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> The United States is a First World country and
> deserves a First World police force. Eliminate
> the criminals, shut down the unions, establish
> appropriate oversight and training, and pay the
> officers what they deserve.

"Shut down the unions" What are you some kind of right-wing anti-union type?

Collective bargaining is a right hard fought for and won for all workers.


> No one here is advocating the "elimination of all
> police," as you claim. THAT is a straw man. It
> detracts from reasoned discussion of serious
> issues.


No, elimination of all police is exactly what is being advocated by many. If it were just reforms and retraining it'd be another story and not controversial. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Commonsense reforms on a local level taking local considerations and situations into account.

> No, elimination of all police is exactly what is
> being advocated by many. If it were just reforms
> and retraining it'd be another story and not
> controversial. I wouldn't have a problem with
> that. Commonsense reforms on a local level taking
> local considerations and situations into account.

Perhaps you should reread what I wrote. Pay particular attention to the word "here."

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> Perhaps you should reread what I wrote. Pay
> particular attention to the word "here."

My bad, I didn't realize you were only referring to the exmo forum, where the real movers and shakers in this world lurk. I'm sure a few forumites will get right on this case and deal with the problem asap.

Of course by dealing with it I mean posting two additional threads about it here.

I'm sorry. I was unaware of the fact that you thought you were addressing politicians and statesmen.

Perhaps we should all get out of the way while you "post two additional threads" on the matter.

>>Eliminate the criminals, shut down the unions, establish appropriate oversight and training, and pay the officers what they deserve.

Speaking as a unionized worker, unions definitely have their place. A union contract protects both the employer and the worker, and makes expectations clear for both parties, with appropriate grievance procedures if those expectations are not met. Collective bargaining agreements are helpful in the aim of paying officers what they deserve, although I would argue that the pay needs to be improved.

Beyond that, unions can be put in check by laws and regulations. If for instance, you have a law that chokeholds may never used as a restraint, there is nothing that the police union could do about that.

Summer, I am not as a principle opposed to unions. In many cases they are net positives (although that often has less to do with workers and organizers than with the characteristics of that particular market).

But there are situations in which unions are a net negative. Imagine, for instance, a union of doctors in which malpractice is impossible to prove because no one will testify against a colleague; or a union of tech billionaires, where they combine their wealth and lobbying power to prevent entrepreneurial or regulatory challenges. Or a union of workers and managers in pharmaceutical companies that sell insulin or other essential medicines and the union insists that prices be maintained far above the market equilibrium. So there is a public policy question involved.

In my view police are a public service. I would have (and have) no objection to a union in that industry if the union were prevented from negotiating review processes and punishment for individuals as well as prevented from raising money to put into political campaigns. There are a lot of cities and towns where the police unions are so powerful that politicians cannot afford to challenge them.

When the people in question have the power to kill, there must be either no unions or unions with very limited powers. THAT is my point, not that unions per se are bad.




ETA: Here's why the police unions deserve a good hard look.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/12/george-floyd-police-unions-stand-way-reform-experts-say/5347136002/



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No. Police should not be breaking into someone's business and commandeering stuff. That's what they are supposed to be stopping.

The fact that too many police think they are above the law is precisely the point here. The irony is that they are doing this during civil protests about police who think they are above the law.

And I though irony would never recover after Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. I was such an innocent.

They left a dollar bill on the congressman's desk.

Another irony is that while we all agree that stereotyping is very bad (no question about it), you then stereotype the police to complain about them by focusing on the laziness of a few bad cops in Chicago. Sheesh. Another irony is that you are Canadian...lol.

Who is Canadian and what is ironic?

I would title this thread : "Statists Burglarize and Occupy Private Property."

The total for the George Floyd Riot losses of $126,451,009.57 have been adjusted to reflect this. The national loss now stands at $126,451,028.50 since Floyd's death.

The price of those snacks will be duly deducted from their union dues.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Now divide by the number of black people deaths by police to figure the worth of a black person.

Send the bill to the white supremacists who did all the damage.

"white supremacist"..lol.

If I had a dollar for every time you mention this or right wing "extremist" on this forum, I would have more money than mormon apostle. You are obsessed! Me thinks you protest to much. Are you a closet white supremacist Davey boy?

I smell a radical right wing extremist agenda. Do you do anything besides parrot fux nooz ?

Tell us more about this "radical right-wing agenda."

Are you woke ?

Wow!

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/h0xxva/black_man_pulled_over_and_issued_a_warning_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Black man pulled over for going 65 in a 70 mph on a highway. Yay for proactive policing! He wasn’t doing anything wrong then, but he was either coming from doing something wrong or was on his way to something wrong, because, you know, not White!

The crime is called driving while black.

You got:

Driving while black

BBQing while black

Birding while black

AirBNBing while black

Picking up trash on the side of the highway as a volunteer - not that orange jumpsuit stuff - while black

Jogging while black

Running while black <-- told my kid to NEVER run down the street alone because someone might think he stole something. Learned that from my dad.

Breathing while black

you get pulled over for driving five miles UNDER the speed limit. The cop asks you where you work, how long you've worked there, where you're coming from, where you're going, gives you a warning for driving five miles UNDER the speed limit but won't justify giving the warning because "he has things to do"? Like what? Stopping someone else for some dumb old BS like he stopped this guy?

and it is well known that the Chicago PD has a contentious history with ex-Black Panther Bobby Rush.

There's no excuse for their conduct.

More than any other consideration, it hurts the good officers who are just trying to do their job.



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Boston Tea Party

kill the anarchists or lock them up for breaking the law

Perhaps you should look at the videos we are discussing. You are someone with great deference, even reverence, for authority so in this case you may not really want to "kill" the anarchistic scofflaws.

It's amusing, isn't it, how people's interpretations of actions sometimes depends on who the actors are rather than the actions themselves?

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> kill the anarchists or lock them up for breaking
> the law

I am amazed that I have to say this:

The death penalty should never be even a mental option (OR an attempt at black humor) given these particular circumstances.