Posted by:
ookami
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Date: July 16, 2020 12:35PM
macaRomney Wrote:
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> A museum is reasonable for housing the relics
> representing the perspectives of different groups.
> It's certainly better than the mob coming and
> tearing down statues and rioting imposing a
> radical view on everyone else, as a few have been
> doing recently. But this may eventually lead to
> the tearing down of 'all' public monuments.
> Society may not universally agree on who is still
> acceptable, so they all would have to go.
Slippery Slope Fallacy. Tearing down monuments to racists and slave owners does NOT mean the loss of all monuments.
https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-slippery-slope/#:~:text=A%20slippery%20slope%20fallacy%20occurs,come%20to%20some%20awful%20conclusion.
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> Where would that lead us? Probably a more European
> way of looking at things, a sort of lost
> hopelessness, lost sense of purpose, a lack of
> defense of a cultural morals that in the past may
> have produced superior results, there would be no
> sense of a present manifest destiny.
1. Is there a peer reviewed source for your claim of hopelessness in Europe, something you learned in Europe, or is this another example of your anal-cranial inversion, macaRomney?
2. Losing a sense of Manifest Destiny wouldn't be bad for the same reason losing the Divine Right of Kings and the old belief that the Imperial family were living gods were beneficial-- they were lies used to justify horrible things.
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> In America the movement seems to be to erase
> heritage, As Jesse Lee Peterson suggested most
> folks sense there is something wrong with them,
> that they are in a fallen state, but they want to
> have pride and push the blame elsewhere, so they
> take their discomfort out on other things and
> other groups. They pass the buck.
From what I've seen, it's guys like you that blame everyone else. Over a century of slavery? "Not my fault!" Policy to Native Americans that meets the definition of genocide? "Manifest Destiny!" The public realizing that having monuments glorifying said atrocities? "They're destroying our heritage! Get the tiki torches!" Instead of accepting that the country was terrible in the past and working to right the wrongs of the nation, you build up the atrocities as some "golden age."
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> America has been exceptional because we have
> traditionally taught children about the great men
> of our founding (even the confederate heros such
> as General Lee, and Stonewall Jackson), we had our
> heroes, but now those heroes are being relabeled
> as racists.
1. General Lee and Stonewall Jackson commanded armies against their own government. That's not heroism, that's treason.
2. Teaching kids about the founders as you describe is like American exceptionalism and the Mormon version of the profits; it's bullshit that gives people warm, fuzzy, special feelings instead of telling the truth.
3. They're not being relabeled as racists, they always were. We're just admitting that now.
> And the mob wants to take them down.
> The next generation will be getting an education
> that has devolved of it's heros, it will be
> aimless. Society will become aimless like
> Europeans currently are.
Hero worship isn't education. And if we need to have apologetics and justifications for heroes (for fuck's sake, macaRomney, learn to spell!) they aren't worth following in the first place.
Again, is there actual evidence for your claim of European aimlessness? Or are you just giving evidence of American cluelessness?*
*BTW, I'm American and have the right to give my country crap for what it does wrong.