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I searched this site to see if anyone had brought this up, but couldn’t find anything. So what’s the difference between a vision and a visitation?
I’m my mind there is a difference between a “vision” and a “visitation”. A vision is like a dream, or a psychotic episode. A visitation is when actual guests arrive and you chat over coffee. So, did god and Jesus (or angels or whatever else showed up) actually VISIT Joe or did he have a psychotic acid trip?
The impression the church is giving out is that it should be called THE FIRST VISITATION.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2020 09:36PM by lapsed2.
I’m my mind there is a difference between a “vision” and a “visitation”. A vision is like a dream, or a psychotic episode. A visitation is when actual guests arrive and you chat over coffee. So, did god and Jesus (or angels or whatever else showed up) actually VISIT Joe or did he have a psychotic acid trip?
The impression the church is giving out is that it should be called THE FIRST VISITATION.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2020 09:36PM by lapsed2.
I think the church uses vision and implies it was a visitation on purpose.
The members hear the story that Joseph "saw" God and Jesus and automatically take it literally. The church does not correct this. They keep using the word vision to cover all the bases and avoid having to explain anything about "spiritual eyes" and other in-your-head explanations.
The members hear the story that Joseph "saw" God and Jesus and automatically take it literally. The church does not correct this. They keep using the word vision to cover all the bases and avoid having to explain anything about "spiritual eyes" and other in-your-head explanations.
He must have been on drugs because he can’t keep his story straight.
The challenge for the liar is to keep the details straight each time the story is told. As inconsistencies are called out, new details must be created to reconcile them. Then those details need explanation, clarification, or additional material to connect the dots.
People who speak the truth do not depart from their core narrative. (Well, maybe under duress.)
People who speak the truth do not depart from their core narrative. (Well, maybe under duress.)
If you have a good lawyer.
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They mean whatever the church needs them to mean at the time.
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> They mean whatever the church needs them to mean
> at the time.
The family of Smith's was headed up by an elixir concoction mixing dad and when Joseph's admired older brother was killed accidentally by doctor's mercury treatments and mistakes, Joseph Smith must have been inconsolable and crushed.
The visitors and visions and visitation was all backdated by Joseph to a time before the doctor's mistake. Joe went and got something for his grief and his already fragile mind was never the same.
You'll gather these things from the whacked out behaviors of the various and manifold (sorry) Smith's family dysfunctions.
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> They mean whatever the church needs them to mean
> at the time.
The family of Smith's was headed up by an elixir concoction mixing dad and when Joseph's admired older brother was killed accidentally by doctor's mercury treatments and mistakes, Joseph Smith must have been inconsolable and crushed.
The visitors and visions and visitation was all backdated by Joseph to a time before the doctor's mistake. Joe went and got something for his grief and his already fragile mind was never the same.
You'll gather these things from the whacked out behaviors of the various and manifold (sorry) Smith's family dysfunctions.
And is it safe to offer to shake a visiting angel's hand during a pandemic?
These are the kinds of important questions Rusty ought to be answering for the faithful.
Can people be set apart by placing hands on their Zoom box?
Are there waterproof masks for baptisms? If they keep your nose dry, does that mean your nose does not have its sins washed away?
Soooo much opportunity for ground-breaking theology. C'mon Rusty, put a fresh triple-A in that pen!
These are the kinds of important questions Rusty ought to be answering for the faithful.
Can people be set apart by placing hands on their Zoom box?
Are there waterproof masks for baptisms? If they keep your nose dry, does that mean your nose does not have its sins washed away?
Soooo much opportunity for ground-breaking theology. C'mon Rusty, put a fresh triple-A in that pen!
Personally, it doesn’t matter what they want to call it.
It isn’t something that is verifiable.
We aren’t talking about someone claiming to have eaten a ham sandwich at breakfast. I don’t have any problems believing that without evidence.
It is a very ludicrous claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The standards of evidence aren’t the same for all cases. Court cases use different standards of evidence as well.
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It isn’t something that is verifiable.
We aren’t talking about someone claiming to have eaten a ham sandwich at breakfast. I don’t have any problems believing that without evidence.
It is a very ludicrous claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The standards of evidence aren’t the same for all cases. Court cases use different standards of evidence as well.
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