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Posted by: Dante's Peak ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 06:43AM

Major fact checker fail: a volcano with an unpronouncable name has started erupting less than 20 miles from Reykjavik, the main city in Iceland.

I guess they don't have the gift of prophecy.

A few days ago the fact checkers were saying "No, that volcano-with-the-long-name is not about to go up, because it hasn't erupted in 6000 years." All those disclaimers have now been mysteriously scrubbed from the internet and there is an eruption which can be seen easily from the downtown of a European capital! (Disclaimers about a different Icelandic volcano, Katla, are still up.)

Wish I took some screenshots. Thanks again, fact checkers! What other disasters are you not going to predict?

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 09:31AM

They are all possible. It's the likelihood/percentage/probability problem.

It's not probable you'll win the lottery but somebody actually does. It looks like the volcano won the lottery.

I get that people with opinions are embarrassed when they were wrong about something, but nothing seems to die on the Internet. IMO, they should own up to it, learn from it and do better.

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Posted by: Heidi GWOTR ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 12:45PM

Check the Way-Back-Machine. They may have copy of original saying it wouldn't erupt.

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Posted by: Tea Wrecks ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 12:55PM

Volcanoes are ALWAYS erupting in Iceland. That's what Iceland does.
Why is this even news ?

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Posted by: Dante's Peak ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 01:06PM

Tea Wrecks Wrote:
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> Volcanoes are ALWAYS erupting in Iceland. That's
> what Iceland does.
> Why is this even news ?

This one is right on top of hundreds of thousands of people (80% of the Icelandic population). The other ones are either way out in the countryside or out at sea.

Some of the "fact checkers" said a few days ago it wouldn't blow because it had been dormant for six thousand years. Now those websites have been pulled and I can't seem to find them anymore. Hmm...

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 01:32PM

"When you shit yer britches of course yer gonna change your pants!"
--LeRye Hotchkiss, party pooper

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 01:57PM

Um, predictions of future events are not facts, they are predictions.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 02:24PM

Yes, but when people predict facts, things get kind of fuzzy.

And most of the time the majority of us want the predicted facts to come to pass, like, "the sun will come up tomorrow, bet yer bottom dollar..."

How about, "pay your tithings and the windows of heaven will open and..." you know the rest. When has that ever failed?

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 02:40AM

Predictions are not facts. Fact checkers check to see if a statement was true at the time it was made. I doubt snopes is debunking any predictions about who will win the US presidency in 2024.

Your tithing example is not a prediction. It is supposedly an ongoing “eternal law”, that has been true and will continue to be true in the future. You can fact check the past performance of that “law”.

The volcano statement was pure prediction, which literally means speaking before something has happened.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 10:17AM

Brother Of Jerry Wrote:
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> Um, predictions of future events are not facts,
> they are predictions.

If you don't believe this check out Joe Jr's predictions
AKA prophecies

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Posted by: ziller ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 02:19PM

a place named iceland ~


has volcanos and lava ? ~



this can't be reel life ~

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 02:23PM

OH Ye of little faith
Know ye not that Nibiru approacheth

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Posted by: Elder Chuck A. Rama ( )
Date: March 20, 2021 04:17PM

I believe that Nibiru is flat and that Quakers live on it.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 05:17PM

On the other side, it's Zarahemla every day!

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 01:32AM

didn't someone predict the failure of the TETON Dam near Rexburger?

EOD, was that YOU?

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Posted by: Mother Who Knows ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 03:22AM

I just heard on CNN, March 12, that this particular volcano's last eruption was 800 years ago.

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Posted by: Dante's Peak ( )
Date: March 22, 2021 06:35AM

Mother Who Knows Wrote:
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> I just heard on CNN, March 12, that this
> particular volcano's last eruption was 800 years
> ago.

There is a complex/range of volcanoes in the immediate area, which last erupted 800 years ago. The volcano-with-the-long-name is part of that same system, but last erupted thousands of years ago. In either case, it is a long time since the last eruption in that vicinity. CNN doesn't always get it right either and is probably using agency copy here.

The best info I've seen on this subject online is not from the major news channels etc, but the "Just Icelandic" YouTube channel. It shows you collated scientific data from Icelandic scientists, including earthquake swarms etc, and local information. JI also pronounces the names properly. He called this one correctly - unlike the "fact checkers". He also discusses the effect on infrastructure - this eruption is between the international airport and Reykjavik, the main city. That's what makes this one unusual.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 11:12AM

The inteligensia is always at liberty to change their mind, and we the willing public are always waiting for their voice from on high to tell us what to think. The little people are subject to the consequence of actions in so many ways but the anointed establishment can spew their notions with absolute diplomatic immunity. And when someone with the aduacity comes forth to catch them in their foolishness, when it rarely happens, they just shift the blame to someone else. The anointed scientists are always on the side of the angels.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 02:05PM

Who are the " inteligensia" ?

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Posted by: logged out today ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 02:29PM

People who got A's in class, which Macaromney (by his own admission) never did.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 04:39PM

Tell us how "the intelligentsia" are involved in this story.

Are the "intelligentsia" the scientists who make judgments about probability? If so, how does an outcome that differs from an estimate of probability discredit those scientists--given that they were not describing an established fact but, by definition, making an educated guess that they acknowledged may be wrong?

And who among them gets "diplomatic immunity?" Can you name one seismologist who is a diplomat? Or are you just spewing more complaints about your victimhood without regard to whether your words make sense?

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 05:19PM


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Posted by: logged out today ( )
Date: March 23, 2021 12:19AM

Biggest lava lamp around! Sound included!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46nVKTdpBc

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 04:17PM

More realistically, the pseudoIntelligentsia or better, the unIntelligentsia. Still found in Coastal areas and certain inland locales.

The volcano-with-the-long-name translates into English as "Make Iceland Great Again," hence the internet scrubbing.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 04:41PM

In keeping with your principles, I assume you eschewed the advice of intellectuals and had macaRomney do your latest heart surgery.

Would that be correct or do you fail to live by the principles you espouse here?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 10:22PM

caffiend Wrote:
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> More realistically, the pseudoIntelligentsia or
> better, the unIntelligentsia. Still found in
> Coastal areas and certain inland locales.

You live in a coastal area, don't you?

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 10:05PM

Another term is the "chattering classes,"

For surgery, I want the cat who graduated top in the class, even if patronizing somebody who went through med school on affirmative action is more noble.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 21, 2021 10:10PM

> For surgery, I want the cat who graduated top in
> the class, even if patronizing somebody who went
> through med school on affirmative action is more
> noble.

That raises an interesting question.

Medical schools don't declare who benefited from affirmative action and who did not. Nor, with rare exception, do they publish more than the broadest rankings of their graduating classes. And a surgeon's skill is more a reflection of his post-med-school experience than what he learned as a student.

All of which, caffiend, makes one wonder how you tell the difference between the surgeons who benefited from affirmative action and those who did not. It wouldn't be the color of their skin, would it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2021 10:15PM by Lot's Wife.

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Posted by: logged out today ( )
Date: March 22, 2021 01:27AM

So a person can't be admitted on affirmative action *and* graduate with honors too? Would you let Ben Carson operate on you?

Per his Wiki bio, he scored in the 90th pct (top 10%) in his SATs, great for inner-city Detroit but hardly eye-catching by Ivy League standards. Still, Yale gave him a 100% full ride anyway, which I suspect they would not have offered had he not been African-American. His Yale GPA was "respectable" but not anywhere near top of class. By your estimation, was he an affirmative action beneficiary at Yale?

Then he was admitted into med school with his not-top-of-class undergrad numbers. Does that count for you as affirmative action? Per his bio, he did very poorly at the start but improved to "average" after one year. He did very well after that, but with those terrible initial exam results, was unlikely to have been top of class at Michigan even though he did eventually make the honor society.

In hindsight, knowing about his surgical career, the decision to admit seems obvious; but at the time, based solely on his academic qualifications upon admittance, a reasonable argument can be made that Carson benefited from affirmative action at both Yale and Michigan.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: March 22, 2021 01:49AM

What if he’s an apostle?

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