Date: August 21, 2021 02:49PM
Exactly THIS. I only went through temple endowment ceremonies 5 times in the 15 years between getting my own endowments and resigning my membership. And they were all in the first 4 years and before they took out the death oaths and other Masonic shit. I kept a recommended for quite awhile to attend weddings. But I kept thinking I’d eventually feel good about it. Or I’d feel that peace people claim to feel. All I ever felt was sick. I knew damn well I’d never suffer my life to be taken before I’d reveal the passwords and secret handshakes. And I knew mormon God knew it. I’d be sick for weeks after going.
Through the years I’ve come to realize, especially now that the pantomiming your own violent demise crap has been removed, that people DO feel peace when they go. The peace that comes to people who have an insatiable need to feel better than everybody else. Just carrying that piece of paper that they pay so dearly for gives them comfort. No matter how unhappy they are, no matter how hard they try to convince people that they really are happy with their horrid spouse, no matter how badly their kids or their job or the expectations of their so-called church weigh on them, they think they have proof that they are better than 99.7% of the people in this world. And they have the paper to prove it. And using that paper to get into their special clubhouse helps them take a deep breath, relax and let that smug superiority settle over them like a warm blanket for 2 hours, or however long the current revised endowment lasts. If I could have ever gotten past the nonsense of it, I probably would have craved that feeling too.
Unfortunately, 10% is getting way harder for young families to fork over than it was in my day. And the facts and truth about where the temple ceremony came from are a few computer clicks away. The ones who want to really be sure the superiority high is worth it and go looking for that info go down the rabbit hole rather quickly. I am the first one who will tell them the church is right about one thing—-if you want to keep your belief in the church and it really makes you happy, especially if the temple gives you peace, don’t read ANYTHING except what the church puts out. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to believe nonsense. I’m only against them using it to hurt others or push it on others.
Chicken N. Backpacks
Date: August 21, 2021 01:29PM
"Every time I go to the temple I learn something new."
I've never had the guts to ask: "What, exactly?"
And then when they about the love of God or peace or whatever, ask "You didn't learn that the 20 times you went before? Or the lifetime you've spent listening to the "prophet" or studying or praying??"
When I hear things like "Every time I go to the temple I learn something new." I think of the numerous TSCC videos, movies, etc., where JS or another character, or a member, looks up from (usually) the BoM with a profound "Oh my God" look (for some reason, along with the post-baptism-in-the-river Bro-hug, Mo' productions/actors seem to nail this look perfectly--better than Nick Cage discovering the next clue in 'National Treasure').
OTOH, maybe getting away from a screaming family of 5 for a few minutes is a TBM's idea of peace... :-)
Date: August 21, 2021 06:36PM
I was sure that if I could just meditate in the celestial room, I could find some answers to my life, but I never got through the veil quick enough to sit down. The last time I went through the veil, I had my robe on inside-out. I had to start over after I changed things around. Surprised they didn't make me do the whole session over. My husband and my best friend were standing in the CR waiting for me and it was a long time.
As far as clothing, I had to rent a dress when I did my endowment and I didn't have a little bag to put my extra clothing in and I had to carry what clothing I had in a sack when I went the first time. I told my husband I'd never go again unless I had everything, so he made sure I got what I needed at Christmas. It didn't get used very much.
I gave my daughter a gift card to get her temple clothes as I wasn't putting her through the embarrassment I went through my first time. Yes, they treat you like less than if you aren't dressed as nice as them and it is obvious. The old ladies always treated me poorly. They did on my wedding day until my mom showed up and my mom was not an assertive person, but just the fact that an "adult" showed up, they left me alone after that.
The temple is hideous.
Date: August 22, 2021 05:01AM
Where's the peace?
I was dragged there as a youth, then later as an adult.
No peace was found in the parking lot. There were others arriving late and you had to hurry as to get your spot in the line that was forming.
There was no peace showing your TR at the entrance. Supposedly, they had an intimidating brother who would carefully screen you and use his perfect priesthood discernment to weed out all the unworthy patrons.
You had to hurry in the men's locker room. If it was busy, you might get cut off the session you were trying to attend. They would arbitrarily force people to wait another 2 hours if it was crowded.
Like everyone else, I was unable to remain in the celestial room because the workers drove everyone out.
Back at the locker room, you were encouraged to hurry up to get on with your day. I always felt happy and jovial (that I was getting out of there). I often had a grouchy member walk up to me and put his hand on my shoulder~ which I detest being touched by strangers. I sometimes whistled and I would be reprimanded to remember my oath to avoid light-mindedness and loud laughter. All that from happily whistlin' a tune.
Finally, there's the big mormon race to escape from the temple's parking lot. Almost always a near collision because two station wagons refusing to stop or yield to traffic. Lots of honking and finger pointing.
As a youth, we were told to stop walking around the temple grounds. A temple official told us that it looked bad to have wayward youth wandering around without supervision.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2021 05:02AM by messygoop.