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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:19AM

https://www.deseret.com/2021/9/1/22651693/elder-holland-lgbtq-buy-speech-is-right-byus-heritage-of-faith-is-its-strength

Opinion: Elder Holland is right, BYU’s heritage of faith is its strength
BYU’s godly mission means fidelity to commandments and orthodoxy. It also means calling out cruelty and bigotry

By Hal Boyd (Good old Boy Hal Boyd. An executive editor for the DezNews, former professor at BYU for the "School of Family Life" and a fellow at the Wheatley Institute. A BYU think-tank who's mission is "lift society by preserving and strengthening its core institutions".)
Who writes a vigorous defense of Holland’s homophobic rant where he encouraged BYU Profs to pick up their muskets in defense of the faith’s hate speech towards gays that has caused Utah to be the perennial leader in youth suicide and Prozac addiction.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:41AM

Pick up your muskets and shoot yourself in the foot.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2021 11:44AM by bradley.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 01:16PM

Don't we all feel 'sorry' for ChurchCo?

their speeches/teachings/doctrine (s) remind me of doing the Hokey-Pokey!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2021 06:54PM by GNPE.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 02:52PM

The temple is the hokey pokey, Simon Says and dress up all rolled into one big complicated game.

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Posted by: Dallin Ox ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 01:51PM

LOL, the Desperate News can't even get the school's initials right in the URL.

"buy-speech"

"buy" is dead-on appropriate.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: September 24, 2021 02:12AM

they might have been thinking of the "buybull($hit), the basic book of scripture for Christianity that Joseph SMith ripped off to create the Book of MORmON !!!

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 02:48PM

BYU finally beat Utah in football. They will be full of themselves now.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 06:55PM

is YBU in a conference now?

who else will sink to play them?

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 07:24PM

On a purely sports basis they deserve to be. Out played Utah.

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 10:56PM

This article did mention the thing people seem to be forgetting-that the speech was targeted to BYU faculty snd staff, not students. He was lambasting employees who are LGBTQ allies for students. He’s calling out compassion not the “same gender challenge.” That’s why I hate that these stupid Mormons keep saying he was showing love. No. Telling people NOT to let struggling students, some of them suicidal, know that they are a safe spot, that they are supportive and that they are an ally, is HATEFUL! There is no other word for it. It. Is. HATE! But round and round they go trying so hard to spin it as people not being faithful to the cult. Oaks and Holland both want it to go back to the way BYU was during their reigns. The funniest thing is that their rhetoric just creates more allies, not fewer. Because it brings to light how badly it’s needed. The sad thing is that the really vulnerable students, the ones trying the hardest to be faithful so that they can overcome their “challenge” become less likely to seek out those allies because they internalize their own self hate even more. But to Jeff & Co. their deaths are just collateral damage in his war on tolerance and love.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:14PM

the deprivation and suffering of the MORmON members has always been a detail along the way of the exalted MORmON leadership getting whatever they want.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 13, 2021 12:34AM

NormaRae Wrote:
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> This article did mention the thing people seem to
> be forgetting-that the speech was targeted to BYU
> faculty snd staff, not students.

Like students are not going to hear about what a Prophet of God is saying to their professors about the Valedictorian who came out as gay in a speech at their graduation last year, where they were subjecting kids like him electroshock therapy until recently?

> He was lambasting
> employees who are LGBTQ allies for students.
> He’s calling out compassion not the “same
> gender challenge.” That’s why I hate that
> these stupid Mormons keep saying he was showing
> love. No. Telling people NOT to let struggling
> students, some of them suicidal, know that they
> are a safe spot, that they are supportive and that
> they are an ally, is HATEFUL! There is no other
> word for it. It. Is. HATE! But round and round
> they go trying so hard to spin it as people not
> being faithful to the cult. Oaks and Holland both
> want it to go back to the way BYU was during their
> reigns. The funniest thing is that their rhetoric
> just creates more allies, not fewer.

Any wonder the CULT is now dwindling for the first time in history, especially among the youth, when 1/8 students at BYU claim they're not monogamous?

Because it
> brings to light how badly it’s needed. The sad
> thing is that the really vulnerable students, the
> ones trying the hardest to be faithful so that
> they can overcome their “challenge” become
> less likely to seek out those allies because they
> internalize their own self hate even more. But to
> Jeff & Co. their deaths are just collateral damage
> in his war on tolerance and love.

Their blood is on their hands.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:20PM

it does not take a musket to cut your own throat, even though one could work to shoot yourself in the foot uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CiyrZd-kB0

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:47PM

smirkorama Wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CiyrZd-kB0


Jesus, that needs a trigger warning!

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: September 13, 2021 02:39AM

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> smirkorama Wrote:
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> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CiyrZd-kB0
>
>
> Jesus, that needs a trigger warning!

.......You mean like going through the pre 1990 MORmON temple "endowment" ceremony needed an advanced warning ? one that was NEVER there!! By design !!

I am so sorry that after going through that blindsiding MORmON experience that I did not have the presence of mind or back bone to inform my MORmON enforcement agent male parent where he should shove his Book of MORmON religion, the way that I should have.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: September 13, 2021 11:51PM

smirkorama Wrote:
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> schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> > smirkorama Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CiyrZd-kB0
> >
> >
> > Jesus, that needs a trigger warning!
>
Yeah I feel ya kid.
How long ago was it for you?
It was about 38 years ago for me.
And I didn't bother doing the math until 20 years ago.
I think the reason I didn't do the math was because I looked around me at all these men in the temple, Engineers, Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, all of them Eagle Scouts, every one of them stand up citizens, who I know really well, they were all doing it and they wouldn't do it if it was that stupid.

But the thing is, that's what they said to themselves.
And that's what the people before them said to themselves, and so on and so forth and pretty soon it's like you're the kid in the Plato's Cave going, hey, uh, you know that's not real, right?
I mean, there's a whole technicolor world out there that's alive and well, without all of these fake images projected on the walls, without the myths and bullshit, without the abuse, without the shaming and hate.
No?
Not interested?
Cool. I'm out.

Those engineers, doctors, dentists, lawyers, Dads, wives, mothers, grandmothers, I know, who are Mormons, they're not much different from those people stuck in Plato's Cave imagining the shadows projected on the walls are more real than what's outside the cave, which is just temporary, until God comes and saves His children, and turns them white again.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: September 22, 2021 03:01PM

> Those engineers, doctors, dentists, lawyers, Dads,
> wives, mothers, grandmothers, I know, who are
> Mormons, they're not much different from those
> people stuck in Plato's Cave imagining the shadows
> projected on the walls are more real than what's
> outside the cave, which is just temporary, until
> God comes and saves His children, and turns them
> white again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg2Peqr0gj0

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 12, 2021 11:53PM

Is it possible that some of the apostles with connections to the Y each have a set of electrodes and maybe every once in a while they get together and 'purify' each other?

Instead of self-flagellation, they work the buddy system, but strictly low voltage stuff, for titillation's sake!

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: September 13, 2021 10:56PM

Rusty might have a spare defibrillator.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: September 14, 2021 03:01AM

Holland said something about use your intellectual abilities to defend your beliefs. Isn't that what we are all doing? Picking up our intellectual muskets. I'm not quite getting why it's ok for dissenters (which is all of us) to say whatever we want and not ok for them...

What I see is that there is a force that wants to silence anyone who disagrees with radical agenda. They use fear and coercion to do it and most of the time refuse to engage in open debate, they know they'll lose or have the wrong argument so they resort to name calling and tears. I say let everyone express their opinion in the open market of ideas. Pulverize the pathetic weak arguments.

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