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Posted by: SBenson ( )
Date: October 11, 2021 06:49PM


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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 11, 2021 07:33PM

Right. One more thing GM got wrong with the car.

I was amused that Walter White's car in "Breaking Bad" was the Aztek (sic/sick). He kept crashing it, getting it shot up, etc. and for all his money he would always have it repaired to avoid the conspicuous consumption of a flashy car. So much for money buying happiness, or a snazzy car for that matter.

The Aztek's twin, the Buick Rendezvous, got better press and a longer production run. Some people are revising their opinions of the Aztek, saying it was just ahead of its time. They have a point when you look at the AWD high roof, high clearance stubby rear SUVs of today.

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Posted by: SBenson ( )
Date: October 11, 2021 06:45PM

Typo correction: “wasn’t”

(And this is still Steve Benson)

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 02:25AM

And yet Mormons are still required by their theology to believe that Columbus and those who came after were drawn by God. It is essential to their claim to divine dispensation. If Columbus was not inspired then neither was Joseph Smith. Am I right?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 02:25AM

Excellent point.

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 09:46AM

More likely that if Columbus was not inspired then the Americas and the nations that fill it are just another "drop in the bucket" and not "special" to God.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 10:32AM

But per Mormonism, the LDS church is the ultimate expression of that providence of God.

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 11:09AM

Gosh. It would almost seem that the Book of Mormon is a 19th century book promoting "Manifest Destiny" rather than a translation of ancient scripture.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 12, 2021 11:34AM

Gosh. It sure does seem like that. :-)

It's almost like the whole religion was a product of that time!

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Posted by: Maca not logged in ( )
Date: October 13, 2021 01:34PM

I think that for everyone to be happy they should choose some other day for ingenious day. How about October 15 instead? Columbus was a great guy and the colonizers were welcome everywhere they went as far as I remember. The indigenous joined the Spaniards on the way to Mexico city, Cortez was almost a God.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 13, 2021 01:38PM

The goal isn't for "everyone to be happy." The goal is to get the history right, which you do not.

You don't need a day to celebrate since ignorance is already bliss.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: October 13, 2021 02:00PM

Maca not logged in Wrote:
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> I think that for everyone to be happy they should
> choose some other day for ingenious day.

It was "ingenious" to create Indigenous day. :)

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Posted by: Equality ( )
Date: October 18, 2021 03:51AM

Maca not logged in Wrote:
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> I think that for everyone to be happy they should choose some other way.

> ... Columbus was a great guy and the colonizers were welcome everywhere they went as far as I remember.

Wow, you must be old. Perhaps you're forgetful...

The "indigenous" didn't join anything or anyone.

Displacing, erasing, killing, taking advantage of... is not "joining".

Maybe you should celebrate on the bus to Columbus.
In your own way and in your own time.

Invasions are never welcome.

It's doubtful you were around then, or will ever be.

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Posted by: perditious1 ( )
Date: October 13, 2021 09:33PM

All true, when Columbus didn't find gold, he captured islanders that were sold in slave markets in Seville. Though some islanders went consenting. On his 4th voyage, he was denied entry to port in present day D.R. [ he was returned to Spain in chains on his 3rd voyage] That summer,in port, about to sail for Spain, were 30 some ships,Columbus warned the authorities there that a huge storm [hurricane] out there. They laughed at him and set sail [half the ships were lost] Which brings me to my point. Say what you will about Columbus, but the man was a master navigator & mariner with just compass and stars. And any sailors here [mine is a csy 37 sloop] will readily admit it. on an open ocean passage [with gps] you can't help but marvel at the accomplishments of these ancient mariners, the real one's, not the submarines that were "tight like unto a dish"

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: October 13, 2021 10:40PM

History is written by the victors. Christopher Columbus was the Adolph Hitler who won the war.

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Posted by: RecoveredFM ( )
Date: October 20, 2021 08:39PM


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