https://publicsquaremag.org/media-education/news-media/ten-ways-under-the-banner-of-heaven-defames-the-church-of-jesus-christ/

Mormons finally starting to threaten defamation lawsuits against those who defile the 'good name' of the church.

"We previously wrote as well about the wounding experience of having our sacred temple experiences—which are a source of great light and joy to us—depicted in dark ways to all the world.

In the eyes of the law, of course, it’s largely when libel or slander leads to serious material loss of property, health, or lives that they count as illegal “defamation.” If not ever recognized in a court of law, we would argue that the losses in question here are even greater than financial loss. “The worth of souls is great in the eyes of God” and His followers. And this series—especially left unexamined as it surely will be by most casual consumers—will leave its mark on the most priceless thing of all: precious brothers and sisters and their future trajectory."

I suppose that scathing response is better than the response had the subject been Islam instead.

It reads like a very long advertisement for the show. Now I want to watch it.

I suppose UTBOH would not be liked by TBMs. It could affect future revenue.

bradley Wrote:
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> It reads like a very long advertisement for the
> show. Now I want to watch it.
>
> I suppose UTBOH would not be liked by TBMs. It
> could affect future revenue.

I loved it!
I really loved the Book the series was based upon.
It didn’t ask the same Socratic questions Krakauer asked in his book that really provoked serious thought in me about my Mormon Leaders honesty.

But the show put the lying, murdering, abusive, racist, geriatric CULT on BLAST, in full living color, throat slitting loyalty oaths and all!

It looks horrible on TV because it was.

It only ‘seemed’ normal because ‘normal’ people friends, family, Nieghbors, doctors, dentists, engineers.

Because they all thought the same thing,
Which is how the whole human comedy gets perpetuated,

Generation after generation

Which is why these dehumanizing 19th C myths have survived, long after the DNA testing disproved them, Mormons remain defiantly racist in their core beliefs, that the God they love, really did ‘curse’ two entire races with dark skin as punishment for the sins of their fathers.

And God is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow*

*for a limited time only,
Certain restrictions apply!

So for some of them, it's been "a wounding experience" to have the temple ordinances depicted in dark ways.

Yeah, it was dark experiences all right, when for 7 years I kept mimicking my own suicide or murder if I revealed the sacred hand clasps or the fact that we were pledging to be obedient or we would be in Satan's power.

Schrodingerscat, thanks for providing the article.

We did address each other as "brother" or "sister", only a few of us didn't do that.

I'm surprised they didn't try to deny MMM, or say that it wasn't as bad as we think.

Great point!
Here’s the article they wrote about being offended by the depiction of suicidal throat slashing rituals they stole from the Masons.

https://publicsquaremag.org/faith/turning-the-other-cheek-still-hurts/

Maybe the Masons should get offended their rituals got exposed by the Mormons abuse of their nutty patriarchal rituals.

From the article:
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> nothing is off the table—including elements of faith
> held as most precious and beautiful...Yet even those
> sacred practices will be on display in the days ahead
> for gawking by those who know nothing of their
> sweetness


Sometimes the truth hurts. Or is embarrassing.

Gordon B. Stinky Wrote:
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> From the article:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > nothing is off the table—including elements of
> faith
> > held as most precious and beautiful...Yet even
> those
> > sacred practices will be on display in the days
> ahead
> > for gawking by those who know nothing of their
> > sweetness
>
>
> Sometimes the truth hurts. Or is embarrassing.

So true. To me this is just chickens coming home to roost for Mormons.

It gives me a good dose of pleasure to see all this get crazy shit we were sworn to keep secret, come out in the open. We talk about it at work all the time. I’m the only one who’s been through the temple and I tell people oh yeah we had to promise to slit our throats and spill our blood on the ground.

They say,”And YOU did that?” incredulously, like, I must have been mental.

“Yeah, well I look around the room and there’s my dentist, my oral surgeon, doctors, lawyers, engineers, friends and neighbors and family doing it and I figure it can’t be THAT weird! But once I was out it’s like, WTF was I thinking? That’s crazy! I mean it’s the most racist religion I know of.”

Black lady speaks up,”uh, I grew up Southern Baptist! You don’t think they’re a little bit racist?”

I say,”Oh yeah, they broke of from the Baptists just so they could keep being racist. And they’re the ones who kept slavery and Jim Crowe laws alive in the South.”

She shook her head and said,”uh huh.”

I said,”But even they didn’t invent whole scriptures that say their God cursed two entire races with dark skin as punishment for the sins of their fathers. That’s a common 19th C racist myth used to justify slavery and genocide. And it’s still being distributed every day by the worlds largest volunteer army of missionaries. I was one of them, unfortunately.”

Other ExMo says,”Yeah I quit when I was 16, I could tell it was all bullshit.”


I said,”You’re a lot smarter than me. Took me till I was 40 to figure that out.’



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If the other cheek hurts, it's where your dumb rituals bit you.

bradley Wrote:
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> If the other cheek hurts, it's where your dumb
> rituals bit you.

‘Turning the other cheek. A satirical musical targeting The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints premiered on Broadway at the Eugene O’Neill Theatre on March 24, 2011. Despite its merciless lampooning of the Book of Mormon and all things sacred to Latter-day Saints, no riot broke loose in the theater district in Midtown Manhattan.

Instead, the Church famously responded with an advertisement in the playbill—“you’ve seen the play, now read the book.”


I think if Krakauer were to write the Book today he’d include the references to the Title of Liberty by anti-government MORmONs, like the Bundy’s taking up arms against the Federal Government 3 times and getting away with it.

And he’d bring up the tendency for Mormons to be attracted to wild QAnon Conspiracy theories, or storming the Capitol on Jan6 dressed as Captain Moroni, carrying the Title of Liberty.

The takeaway for me was a warning. Mormons are kind of like that kid who was bullied his whole life growing up and could never get laid. Then he turns 18 and suddenly has access to all the firearms and ammo he needs to get even.

Mormons are a useful and loyal tribe, due to inherited group thinking, tribal mentality, that intertwines neatly with white nationalism and populism.

Even though America made it clear they were not interested in having a Mormon President, even if that Mormon was as picture perfect as Mitt Romney.



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Some hint of how Mormons are finally reaching a point where they’ve been pushed around long enough!

“ Gawking at sacred things. In some ways, we live in an age where all things sacred are being cheapened—from pornographic depictions of sex and the naked body to anything and everything that people of faith hold dear.

Some delight in such “exposés,” while we join the many others who mourn. Once again, no need to worry about any threats or violent reactions from our people. In ironic contrast to the very depiction of a Dangerous People this series seems clearly positioned to deliver, no aggressive backlash will be coming from us.

And some of our harshest critics know this all too well. Not incidentally, it’s common for serial aggressors to see any such humility and acquiescence from victims they target as an admission of powerlessness—a concession of sorts. And so it should not be surprising to see many interpreting this lack of strongly negative reaction as either a sign the critique is over the target or an indication the Saints are easy to “walk all over.”

Maybe that last one is true—at least for now.

Fighting against Zion. That won’t be the case in the future, however. Not if we take our own sacred text seriously, starting with Isaiah’s original prophesy about the empty and anguished future of the “multitude” who “fight against mount Zion … and distress her.” Elaborating this ancient commentary, serious warnings continue in the Book of Mormon to “they that fight against Zion and the covenant people of the Lord … [those] who wait for him”— including this from Nephi, over a century after Isaiah:

And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed.”

Bring an Army and pack a lunch!

I'll pack my handcart for the trip to Missouri.

You might want to bring along your rain gear & skeeter repellant. Just this mornin', we had a gully-washin', trash-movin', fence-liftin', frog-stranglin' storm.

> Instead, the Church famously responded with an
> advertisement in the playbill—“you’ve seen
> the play, now read the book.”

"Famously"!!! haha. I laughed out loud at that one. Perhaps famous within the moridor. Most people don't even know that there's a BoM Broadway show, let alone that TSCC bought an advert in the playbill.

Granted, it WAS a clever tack on the part of TSCC, but it's not "famous." Speshul maybe, within their people group.

Mormons think too much of themselves.

I've read a little less than half, and probably won't go further. It's the usual whiny equivocating and other illogical tactics used by mormon apologists.

For example, complaining that the people depicted weren't normal mormons. So what? It's about a true, historical event. The parties portrayed were not wonderful people. It's not this show's responsibility to paint a picture of "normal" mormons. And, FWIW, there were normal, reasonable Mormons portrayed (e.g. Brenda's family).

I've seen movies about Jim Jones and the Jonestown massacre. Nobody's whining that the Assemblies of God churches at large aren't portrayed as "normal."


And this is just a bold-faced lie: "The most important thing to note is that no instruction is given ever—not now, or in the ceremony’s past—that would encourage violence towards others."

If bowels are going to be split open, someone has to do it. I would call that encouragement.



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I should also point out how hypocritical it is to be whining about how TSCC is portrayed by others, when it's own very existence is predicated on all other churches being false, and JS proclaiming, and portraying in the temple ceremony, that Christian pastors are in league with the devil. How dare they complain about how they are portrayed by others?

"We previously wrote as well about the wounding experience of having our sacred temple experiences—which are a source of great light and joy to us—depicted in dark ways to all the world.

And this series—especially left unexamined as it surely will be by most casual consumers—will leave its mark on the most priceless thing of all: precious brothers and sisters and their future trajectory."


So this member is suggesting that the casual viewing public needs to more closely examine the LDS Temple ritual? Sounds like an idea we can all get behind.

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