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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 01:29AM

I have never seen a sadder thing…

Mormon battling brain cancer, after just complaining about socialism and all the people who don’t work compared to the workers (dog whistle if there ever was one).

Now his anti-socialist wife is running a Go Fund me page to help with expenses… the indignity of it all… but they have no shame and introspection.

But she and her husband have their HMOs and their Go Fund Me campaigns to pay his medical bills.

And the sad part too: the wife who decided to birth kids instead of go to school writes on a 3rd grade level. The husband’s first surgery was a success—thankfully. On the Go Fund Me update, the wife is ecstatic about the “very big hard things” that the surgeon did… like removing her husband’s tumor.

All these things are interrelated. Very stupid people don’t see patterns and they’re susceptible to conspiracy theories and cults because they don’t know how the world works.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:08AM

People who do the most complaining about "socialism" are the ones who profit from it the most.

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:44AM

They’re begging for donations.

I told the father about a year ago, “I’m surprised your daughter and son-in-law did it.” “It” was take part in a military program that pays for all childcare expenses at birth.

I told him it sounded like social welfare and he got huffy. “If I didn’t know you better, I would have taken your comment personally.”

They are a mess as they engage in dog whistles while on welfare.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 10:27AM

People will put up a "Go Fund Me" to pay for hospital bills, but what they won't do is consider having nationalized health care. It boggles my mind. A number of the anti-vaxers who were hospitalized for weeks or months during the pandemic, or who needed long term care, have had big bills coming due.

I recently tangled with a "nobody wants to work" woman on a local page. She was complaining that the lines were too long at a local pharmacy. When I told her that the store was most likely hiring, and perhaps she should put in an application, she huffed that she already has a job. I suggested she take it as a second job. She was not amused. "Nobody wants to work" must be a dog-whistle of the conservative media.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 03:58PM

The big problem with healthcare is corruption. It doesn’t matter if it’s private or government run, if corruption is in the system the quality goes down and the prices skyrocket.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 10:28AM

It's odd how so many are hell bent to vote against their own self interests. Many poor people vote to help the rich and take away any help for the poor. Many sick (we'll all be sick at some point) people vote against having improved health care and reasonably priced meds. She'd back any kind of socialism for the rich, and would not see any problems with it.

Funny how a lot of people can't see the hypocrisy.
Funny how they don't see how they are manipulated to vote against their own well being.
Funny how it seems more important to have people worse off than ourselves and strive to keep them down.

I have a sister like that too. She's pushing 80 . She apparently thinks someday she'll be part of the rich elite so she parrots those exact same dog whistle type statements. She's living from SS check to SS check, always hinting for money. She's in poor health but has plenty bad to say about the evil government. She wouldn't know socialism from fascism or state government from federal government. I don't think she would see the irony in starting a go fund me either.

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Posted by: Maca ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 01:47PM

I was thinking about this subject today and haven't come up with why it is. 1/3 of kids are on medicade, it's huge yet our unemployment rate is sitting at like 3%, everywhere I look there's for hire signs, yet so many uninsured,

It's got to be this gen z people who don't know what the heck to do so they keep switching jobs and are confused about their careers, once again a failure of the educational behemouth

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:15PM

But they have gender pronouns

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:35PM

bradley Wrote:
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> But they have gender pronouns


They do. They’re trying to treat their peers with decency something they didn’t learn from their parents and their parents who called themselves the greatest generation while they were still alive and despite being forced to intervene against Hitler.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:04PM

Mine are it/it/its so nobody has to guess. "It puts the lotion on its skin" is nicely gender neutral.

Complexifying language seems to be a passive aggressive generational thing. Sticking it to the man. Not that the older generation doesn't deserve it.

Seriously, the original number was 2 so wouldn't it make sense to bring it down to 1 instead of bumping it up to 8 or some double-digit number?

I will need a gender neutral replacement for Mr., Ms., etc. Any ideas?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:47PM

“Fellow humanoid”?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:49PM

bradley Wrote:
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> "It puts the lotion on its skin" is nicely gender
> neutral.

Okay, bradley. That is very good.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 09:05AM

"They" is the gender neutral pronoun in English.

We don't have gender neutral titles yet, and I don't think "comrade" is going to be popular in America. "Ms." instead of "Miss" to indicate marital status is about all we have ("Fraulein" and "Mademoiselle" aren't used anymore for the same reasons). Southern people call all ladies "Miss" married or not but pronounce it "Ms." Uber lesbians like to use "herstory" and "womyn," but in German "Mensch" means "human" as "Men" once did in English.


About the only thing that you can say about this is that nobody cares what guys are called -- married or not —- only if they are non binary.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2022 09:09AM by anybody.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 10:32AM

I'm not happy with the use of "they" as a gender neutral pronoun. It's used in a pinch, but normally means more than one. I think we need to come up with new gender neutral pronouns. There are other languages that have them.

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Posted by: ookami ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 03:04PM

There have been a few attempts at making gender neutral pronouns besides they/them. Ze and hir are a couple I've seen used in the book "Butch is a Noun" by S. Bear Burgman. Of course, some folks would still whine about those pronouns.

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Posted by: MCR ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 09:21PM

I think "they" is a done deal at this point. It grates on me too for the plural problem: "That rider and their horse" One/many?

But a flyer was put on my windshield at Costco advertising the Costco pet pharmacy. It oozed classic sale's-pitch-talk; the need for smoothness in not tripping up your reader (mark) argued in favor of "their/them." It was very concerned about the medical needs of "your pet" and of you as a devoted, loving, responsible pet owner who of course would never dream of denying your pet prescription pharmaceuticals.

When talking about "your pet" (sob, sob) the brochure couldn't really refer to it as "it." That would be insulting to the pet owner, as if Costco thought their pet weren't a real family member--just an object, an "it." And the ad couldn't say "he or she" over and over because it interrupted the flow of the prose too much. A smooth "they" or "their" kept the ad flowing. I think it's done. "They" and "their" are the winning pronouns.

It's like "Happy Holidays." It's not a war on Christmas, it's more: what shopkeeper wants to alienate a customer during the biggest shopping season of the year?

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 03:37PM

>I will need a gender neutral replacement for Mr., Ms., etc. Any ideas?

M. Worked in James Bond films.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 03:58PM

misplaced



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2022 03:59PM by Brother Of Jerry.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 04:23PM

>Mr., Ms., etc.

Gee, I wonder why women ended up having descriptors for their marital status (Mrs. and Miss) and men didn't?

Ms. was a step in the right direction. I remember the outrage about how horrible the feminists were for simply not wanting marital status included like men didn't need to do.

But now we need to address all the demands for gender identification. Why does everything need to know your gender on dozens of forms that have nothing to do with gender?

I wouldn't want to deal with languages like Spanish that have to assign a gender to everything. That seems goofy in modern times to me.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: July 14, 2022 08:11AM

"Hän is the gender-neutral Finnish personal pronoun that treats everyone equally.

In the Finnish language, personal pronouns (words used as substitutes for a person’s name, such as he and she) do not specify whether the person discussed is a woman or a man. One word – hän – refers to women, men and people of other genders alike.

The use of a gender-neutral personal pronoun hän in the Finnish language offers the opportunity to use inclusive language."

When my mother, who grew up in Finland, and spoke English, easily confused 'her' and 'he' often using the wrong pronoun when talking about someone. That is not a problem in Finnish - everyone is a hän.

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Posted by: Bite Me ( )
Date: July 18, 2022 03:30PM

That's actually really interesting to me.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 18, 2022 03:37PM

In Chinese, there is a single character for "he/him," another for "she/her," and a third for "it" in both subjective and objective form. All three of these pronouns is pronounced "ta."

So there is no difference when speaking the language, only when writing it. And Chinese learning to speak in English do indeed confuse "he" and "she."

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: July 18, 2022 04:03PM

Does, “Hey, you!” translate into Chinese?


(As an aside, Heyyou is what my dad named one of his dogs.)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 18, 2022 04:10PM

elderolddog Wrote:
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> Does, “Hey, you!” translate into Chinese?

I think it sounds something like "hay shoes," but I could be wrong.


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> (As an aside, Heyyou is what my dad named one of
> his dogs.)

We named one of our dogs "Dog."

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:56PM

Maca, imagine if corporations didn't have the power to uproot your job and move employees all over the place with no loyalty.

Imagine if health care wasn't something linked to corporations that hold employees hostage.

You are placing blame in the wrong place.

Also, people don't have childcare and on top of that risk of forced pregnancy that you support.

Some people don't want certain immigrants around who were willing to come and help take low paying hard jobs.

While corporate profits and pay for executives skyrocket, the corporations are not sharing much of it with their employees because they can get away with it. They don't give health care to people who can work part time juggling kids even. One major illness often bankrupts a family. Then people like you repeat the meme that people don't want to work when the corporations screw them every which way possible.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 06:57PM

Lol. Just one generation switching jobs? Do you have a clue on what you commented on? Your shock jock knee jerk statements almost seem made up like this is a hobby for your loads of responses pleasure.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2022 06:58PM by Elder Berry.

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Posted by: Dr. No ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 02:44PM

An amusing number of folks railing against socialism have no idea what it actually is, even basic conceptually.
- Same folks that if you ask: "what's socialism?" become sputtering hopping mad and them call you a "commie."
(Which also they have no idea of)

It's great fun actually

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 03:20PM

First political campaign to use "socialist" as a political insult: 1894. It's an oldie but a goodie.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 03:58PM

I thought Socialists liked to party…?

I’m a declared anti-socialist.

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:43PM

I wonder if these people would vote to end socialist programs like social security and Medicare. Got my bill for an over night stay in the hospital a few weeks ago. It was just under $11,000.00. Our part after insurance and Medicare is around 1500. That was for what they told me was a routine Covid test that turned out to have other elements they didn't mention that were not covered.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:48PM

Kentish Wrote:
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> I wonder if these people would vote to end
> socialist programs like social security and
> Medicare.

. . . and the mortgage-interest deduction, and preferential taxation for IRAs and 401-Ks, and deferred taxation for capital gains, and charitable deductions, and public education/private vouchers, and interstate financial transfers to Red states.

The list of state-sponsored perquisites that "conservatives" take for granted is endless.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:53PM

Farm subsidies.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 07:59PM

How could I forget that? Agriculture is one of the biggest "socialist" distortions in the economy.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 08:18PM

In reply to something you wrote the other day, you said that in some time ago you identified as a more-or-less Republican but in recent years have felt no choice but to move towards the Democratic Party.

I suggest that it wasn't you who were "moving:" it was the GOP that lurched in a new direction. The inconstancy, the erraticness, the schizophrenia, lies in that party. Your values do not appear to have changed.

Perspective.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 08:04PM

Has anyone ever noticed that the ones that yell the most about "socialism" are the same ones that can't wait for their Social Security and Medicare?

Here is another little tale in the "face palm" category. FB friend, we have a couple of craft things in common. She is a big Trumper and all that entails. Guns guns guns. So of course, big anti vaxer, masker, social distance - you get the idea. Height of the pandemic she goes to her crowded church and gets Covid. Sick for a couple of months. Gives up a VERY good job with the state where she has been for many years with fantastic benefits. She would have retired in 3-4 years with full medical and a bunch of other great perks. She is still having different medical problems, a list. List of different scans, MRIs, tests. She says they are all from having Covid. I am guessing her husband is working past his retirement age to pay for it all and keep his insurance. They are downsizing their house. She is selling craft stuff.

Another friend said something like But of course you have had your shots now right?

Reply Oh HELL NO! No vax for this girl!!!

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 10:35PM

These people are stupid—there’s no other way to put it!

And then they call you intolerant.

Yes… I’m very intolerant about bad ideas!

Not all ideas are created equal and your ideas are stupid, is what I want to tell them.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: July 10, 2022 11:11PM

Newcomer wrote in part:

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Not all ideas are created equal and your ideas are stupid, is what I want to tell them."

It should be pointed out that these ideas, while they are dumb, didn't originate with the individuals being discussed here; rather, they have primarily come from commercial talk radio and television and (gasp) religious leaders, mostly white and evangelical. And I have to say that it tests my faith in the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of free speech in its first amendment.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 08:18AM

There are lots of examples of that on the HermanCainAward subreddit -- people who owe enormous amounts of money in hospital bills because they refused the Covid vaccine. Some survivors have been in long term care and will never work again. The obligatory "Go Fund Me" is a common theme over there.

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 12:02PM

Medicare for All Could Have Prevented More Than 338,000 US Covid Deaths: Study

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/14/medicare-all-could-have-prevented-more-338000-us-covid-deaths-study

“Covid-19 has killed more than one million people in the United States over the past two years, but more than 338,000 of those lives could have been saved if the country had a universal single-payer healthcare system such as Medicare for All.”

The study: The study: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2200536119

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 12:58PM

Capitalism at its zenith.

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 04:12PM

The American way… stick to your ways, don’t let facts get in the way and then bellow our socialism, fascism and other words you don’t mean to shut your mind off.

Most people would want a complete review of a broken system. Not Americans.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 04:11PM

We need to rename Covid, ”Darwin’s Revenge”

338,000 deaths could have been prevented if America had Universal Healthcare, like every other Country that had far lower Covid Deaths than US.

This is Capitalism at its Zenith.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 04:00PM

I once had a coworker way back in the 1970s (i.e. long before the current craziness) who was several notches to the right of Ezra Taft B. He was going on about moochers living off the government. I tactfully pointed out that he had gone to public schools that were totally tax funded, went to college on a ROTC scholarship even though he never intended, nor ever did serve in the military (getting free college and avoiding the Vietnam War), and was now working on a project funded completely by the DoD.

He had never received a dollar in his life that wasn't a tax dollar. His rebuttal was the government received good value for its money in his case. I was not fast enough to reply that ROTC might dispute that. Nor did I mention that people getting paid minimum wage may have also been providing good value for the money they were paid, and they weren't even getting government money by and large, just minimal government protection from being exploited. (He also opposed minimum wage laws)

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 11, 2022 04:12PM

I can only imagine what his views are on race, gender, etc.

Bad ideas come in bunches.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: July 13, 2022 09:35PM

My son's brain tumor surgery at New York Langone med center cost somewhere in the area of $300,000 to $500,000 dollars, all (ALL!-100%) paid for by ACA ("Obamacare"). If that is "socialism," I'll happily take it. I've been close and personal with both Italian and German health care systems, both of which I'd love to have for Americans. But for a few generations now, Americans confuse socialism with communism, and we know that communism is bad. All of Western Europe has socialized medicine, and healthcare in countries like Italy, Spain, and Portugal have sped by us while we weren't looking.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: July 13, 2022 11:26PM

How is your son doing, Cludgie?

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Posted by: newcomer ( )
Date: July 16, 2022 06:38PM

That sounds like a good deal.

100% paid for.

Did it reduce your incentive to work, like they say?

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