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Posted by: contrarymary ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 03:13PM

https://religionnews.com/2022/07/21/mormon-founder-joseph-smiths-photo-discovered-by-descendant-after-nearly-180-years/

The evidence is compelling.

"Larsen, 79, is a great-great-grandson of Smith, who was killed by a mob near Nauvoo, Illinois, in 1844. Among the effects passed down to Larsen was a pocket watch that bore the initials of his great-grandfather Joseph Smith III, the prophet’s oldest son and founder of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now called Community of Christ. There was also a second object, a locket that resembled a pocket watch.

When Larsen inherited the locket shortly before his mother’s death in 1992, its finial was bent and he was not able to open it, so he put it away for safekeeping."

What followed was more than two years of verification. Larsen called his nephew, the historian and Community of Christ apostle Lachlan Mackay, to help him assemble experts and test the hypothesis that the image was that of Smith. Mackay joined forces with historian Ron Romig, the retired chief archivist for Community of Christ.

In an article in the spring/summer issue of The John Whitmer Historical Association Journal, out Thursday (July 21), the two historians detail the steps they took to authenticate the daguerreotype.

They hired facial recognition experts to compare the daguerreotype to Smith’s death mask. The company reported back that 19 of 21 measured features matched, within a 95% confidence interval.

Another expert compared the daguerreotype’s facial features with those seen in the most famous oil painting of Joseph Smith, noting that the hairline and other features were a match and that both images showed the same “distinctive frown line near the left eyebrow,” the article states.

Meanwhile, Mackay and Romig tried to verify the find through historical research. Now that they knew the long-rumored daguerreotype was housed inside a locket, they realized that it had, in fact, been “hiding in plain sight” all this time.

“The locket shows up on prominent Smith family women through the years,” Mackay said. Bertha Madison Smith, who married one of Joseph Jr. and Emma’s sons, wore it in a portrait in 1869. In 1875, a granddaughter wore it in her wedding portrait, in which the locket was hanging from a chain.

It’s believed that the locket remained in Emma’s possession until her death in 1879 and that she loaned it to female family members for special occasions. It eventually made its way to the family of the RLDS prophet Fred M. Smith (1874–1946), Joseph Jr.’s grandson and Larsen’s grandfather.

Mackay and Romig also investigated links to the likely photographer, a man named Lucian Foster. A Mormon branch president in New York City in 1839, when daguerreotypes first reached U.S. shores, Foster was an expert in the craft by the time he moved to Nauvoo to join his fellow Mormons in April 1844. Since he rented a room in the prophet’s home, he had close proximity to the Smith family. Experts think it’s during the brief period of May or early June of 1844 that Smith had Foster take his picture.

Now it’s time for the photo’s story to be told."

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 03:27PM

There seems to be an agenda here. Who are the "experts" who examined the photo? Why do they want the LDS church to have this so badly? And why aren't they mentioning that a photo of JS jr. already exists for comparison? Why should I believe anything the RLDS has to say is somehow gospel?

Edit to add, they mention women wearing the locket. Is it this locked for certain? Or just women wearing lockets, which was popular. Lots of fast and loose "facts".



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2022 03:31PM by Devoted Exmo.

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Posted by: bobofitz ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 07:17PM

What photo already exists for comparison? Isn’t the fact that there are no other documented photos the point of this article and this thread?

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 07:42PM

I'm guessing the point of this article was to bamboozle.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joseph_Smith,_Jr._(1843_photograph).jpg

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Posted by: logged out today ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:06PM

Yeah, that's not a photo. That's merely a low-quality image of the widely-known portrait painting of JS.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joseph_Smith,_Jr._portrait_owned_by_Joseph_Smith_III.jpg

https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.71.43

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:23PM

I'd rather take the word of the Library of Congress and it's experts than those of the RLDS.

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Posted by: logged off today ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:38PM

Here is the LOC's listing of the item.

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2009632233/

It clearly states -

"Summary: Portrait photo (copy of a drawing or painting) showing bust of, Mormon leader and prophet, Joseph Smith, facing forward."

"Date Created/Published: c1879."

A copy of a drawing or painting, not a photo of JS himself.

(My link to the National Portrait Gallery upthread was a mistake on my part.)

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 11:14PM

That image of JS reminds me of the botched restoration of the “ecce homo” fresco of Jesus that some old lady decided to do.

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Posted by: contrarymary ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 04:33PM

I disagree. Read the whole article.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:22PM

That's not a verified image either.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:41PM

No it is not verified. I am skeptical of any joe smith photos since I don't know that photography was around back then.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 01:19AM

I looked it up. The daguerreotype was first demonstrated to the public in 1839 and quickly spread to the States, where technical improvements occurred so rapidly that by 1851 the US was viewed as the global leader in that form of photography.

So we cannot rule out the possibility of the photo being genuine on that basis.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/blog/early-american-daguerreotype

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: July 23, 2022 08:43PM

I wonder if there is a thousand words in this thread?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 12:15AM

That's never guaranteed, except for when El Gato thrusts E=MC² at us.  We fall for it EVERY TIME!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 01:19AM

Right again, EOD!

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 01:05AM

I looked up some photos of Joseph Smith’s nearest relatives that were in photo’s. I would say the gentleman in the locket is a Smith. Is it Joe? Who knows.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 05:10AM

Very probably a Smith, but if it's Joe, the fleshy, lippy painted portrait with an impressively straight and rounder nose, is not at all a good likeness.

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Posted by: want2bx ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 11:47AM

You know, I've read several articles about this and I've decided that I couldn't care less what Joseph Smith looked like. He was a fraudster, a criminal and an all around weasel. We're getting close to two centuries after his death and many are still paying the price for his immoral antics. Whatever Joseph Smith looked like, he can rot in hell.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 11:57AM

The irony is we know exactly what Brigham looked like and no one seems to care. This is the Hallmark of a cult and not a restoration of prophethood.

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: July 24, 2022 01:02PM

I agree. I suppose there may be historical interest in what he looked like but who really cares except true believers?

No matter what he actually looked like, he's surely gotten better looking over the years as various Mormon artists and actors have portrayed him.

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