I replied, if believing in Christ kept people from raping kids why do so many Altar Boys and MORmON Boy Scouts end up getting raped?
If common human decency isn’t enough to keep you from raping kids you need to stay away from kids. If fear of imprisonment isn’t enough you need to commit yourself. If social repercussions are not enough, you need to go F yourself.
What does your God say about that?



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There are no words.

"So, you're saying you are a sociopath on a leash?"

In light of the recent AP article (on top of everything else), belief in a god doesn't stop christians and mormons from raping kids. What else they got?

Absolutely ridiculous question.

If zero molesters were self-professed Christians, well maybe.

Better question: Why does your supposed belief not prevent you from committing egregious crimes?

Nightingale Wrote:
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> Absolutely ridiculous question.
>
> If zero molesters were self-professed Christians,
> well maybe.
>
> Better question: Why does your supposed belief not
> prevent you from committing egregious crimes?

Exactly. That AND most of Asia and Northern Europe are predominantly Atheist and people are not raping kids more there than they are here in the US, which is heavily Christian, so that kinda blows that argument on evidence alone. Not to mention all the anecdotal experiences I've had with nearly every Mormon kid I knew growing up who was molested or raped, and I've seen the same thing happen as an adult. The structure of the Mormon church is rotten from the foundation on up. When you sing the praises of a serial rapist, you're in a dangerous CULT that grooms kids to be victims, and surprise surprise, the CULT has a bad rape problem.
It always did in my experience, which is not that unique as it turns out.

Edited to Add, I looked it up.

Rape is 66x's more common in the US than it is in Japan, where only 1% of population is Christian.

Murder, 5 times more likely in the US than Japan.


https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

In Finland, only 1/3 of people believe in God, yet, you are 104x's less likely to be raped and 91% less likely to be murdered in Finland than in the US where 81% still subscribe to the God Delusion.

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/2333-less-than-a-third-of-finns-believe-in-god.html

https://news.gallup.com/poll/393737/belief-god-dips-new-low.aspx



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Nice statistics - although they don't surprise me.

But, but... when Ted Cruz was insulting a British journalist the other day, he said "everyone knows the USA is the safest country in the world".. Surely he could not be mistaken...

Surely Ted ‘Cancun’ Cruz has never lied.

I’m an atheist. You know what stops me from raping kids? For one thing, I have absolutely no desire to rape kids.

Even if I had the desire, it certainly doesn’t require a belief in an invisible being for me to not want to harm someone.

CrispingPin Wrote:
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> You know what stops me from
> raping kids? For one thing, I have absolutely no
> desire to rape kids.

It's remarkably simple, isn't it.

I actually care about others and would never have sex with anybody but a consenting adult, because that’s the right thing to do.

Interesting observation. So, perhaps we should assume that someone who poses such a question actually DOES want to rape kids, and projects their predilections onto other people.

Similar conversation.

"If you didn't believe in God" then you could do whatever you want."

I asked her, "What would I want to do that belief in god would stop me from doing?"

Religious dudes don't realize that it isn't their religion that keeps them moral. It's their inner sense of right and wrong.

This 100%. Some of the most decent people I know are atheists. The most horrid person I know is “born again”.

I rape as many kids as I want to.

i.e. ZERO (just guessing here ;-)

Correct.

Whew! I was worried for a minute there.

I suspect if a Christian really did ask the question it should be a petty one both in terms of religion and intellect. It may come as a surprise but I have yet to meet a Christian who is perfect and free from the human traits and failings that infect us all, including such inanity at times.

Who needs to rape kids when the Christians are already doing such a great job of it?

One would fear looking amateurish by comparison, que no?

Laughing so hard. You have no idea.

I don't want to disgrace myself with competing with the masters.

You both made me laugh - raucously, even :-D

Tom, we'll be here for the rest of our lives!

Make sure you are, too!

At least, that's what my wife tells me...

So what keeps Christians from raping kids (looks at catholic leadership, LDS leaders who cover up pedophilia)? Clearly nothing. I wonder what the Christians point was?? Hmm?


HH =)

Easy, because I'm an atheist children are naturally asexual to me.

If asked that, I would probably reply, " You seem desperate to know so I'll tell you, but, I'm not sure it will help you to refrain."

There's over a billion Catholics obviously some boys may get assaulted. I'm seeing a lot of assertions yet not much backing it up,... so religion has nothing to do with stopping violence against kids, well where did inner sense of right and wrong come from? isn't it reasonable to assume Christianity instilled some morals values into atheists? Why atheists think their values just magically appeared and are universally adopted is quiet a mystery!

History certainly shows quite the opposite, pick up just about any history book and it's the religious people who are generally trying to put some restraint on the violence committed. Currently I'm reading all about the 4th crusade in the 1200s, the pope is furious about the plundering and killing he's trying to stop the venetian, and franks from slaughtering the Greeks, then there was the barbarian Mongolians, killing everyone Attila the hun, as people got religious the dark ages of killing declined, the Renaissance came.

Maca Wrote:
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> There's over a billion Catholics obviously some
> boys may get assaulted. I'm seeing a lot of
> assertions yet not much backing it up,...

You're not paying attention.

It is interesting, however, to see that in this narrative the RCC is a force for good instead of the barbaric anti-intellectual organization you usually portray it as.


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> . . . so
> religion has nothing to do with stopping violence
> against kids, well where did inner sense of right
> and wrong come from? isn't it reasonable to assume
> Christianity instilled some morals values into
> atheists? Why atheists think their values just
> magically appeared and are universally adopted is
> quiet a mystery!

Maybe we can quiet your "quiet a mystery." How do you explain the fact that the atheist nations of northern Europe, central Europe, Japan, and South Korea are so much more pacific than the United States. How do you explain their much lower rates of crime and the fact that in a bad year Japan has ten deaths by gun as opposed to ten deaths in a typical weekend in the US?

Or should we ignore those facts because they don't support your views?


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> History certainly shows quite the opposite, pick
> up just about any history book and it's the
> religious people who are generally trying to put
> some restraint on the violence committed.
> Currently I'm reading all about the 4th crusade in
> the 1200s,

Oh, would that you could see the irony in claiming Christians are opposed to violence and citing as an example the Crusades!


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> . . . the pope is furious about the
> plundering and killing he's trying to stop the
> venetian, and franks from slaughtering the Greeks,

The "Franks???" In the 13th century??? You are off by several hundred years.

And if the pope was so "furious," why didn't he stop sending crusaders out to crusade?


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> . . . then there was the barbarian Mongolians, killing
> everyone Attila the hun, as people got religious
> the dark ages of killing declined, the Renaissance
> came.

Christianity did nothing to stop the Mongols except pray that the King of Bohemia might manage to forestall invasion from Poland and Hungary. (He did not.) And how did Attila the Hun get mixed up in this? He died in about 450, a millennium before the period you are describing.

As for the Renaissance, I trust you are aware that what followed were the most devastating wars Europe ever experienced as Catholic and Protestant countries ripped each other to shreds.


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What's remarkable about you is that you succeed in picking up words and names--the Holy Roman Empire, Attila the Hun, the Mongols, the Franks--and yet consistently garble beyond comprehension the history that they represent.

Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan--they're the same guy, right? Right?

Notice the divine fallacy in there as well: our inner sense of right and wrong can only have come from a god. Followed immediately by an argument that "atheists think their values just magically appeared." I couldn't make this stuff up if I was deliberately writing a caricature.

Maca isn’t a caricature?

Not an intentional one.

There's history, and then there is convenient hearsay touted as history which seems to be what you are quoted. The word "lore" comes to mind as so much history has been skewed by religion down through the ages. You could say that religion has padded it's resume. You do what you need to do to keep your job, right?

I found it helpful to leave gullibility at the temple last time I left one.

Maca Wrote:
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> There's over a billion Catholics obviously some
> boys may get assaulted.

May? You mean ‘have been’?

There were 216,000 victims of Catholic sex abuse in France in the past 70yrs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/5/awful-truth-child-sex-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

I'm seeing a lot of
> assertions yet not much backing it up,
... so
> religion has nothing to do with stopping violence
> against kids, well where did inner sense of right
> and wrong come from? isn't it reasonable to assume
> Christianity instilled some morals values into
> atheists? Why atheists think their values just
> magically appeared and are universally adopted is
> quiet a mystery!
>
> History certainly shows quite the opposite, pick
> up just about any history book and it's the
> religious people who are generally trying to put
> some restraint on the violence committed.
> Currently I'm reading all about the 4th crusade in
> the 1200s, the pope is furious about the
> plundering and killing he's trying to stop the
> venetian, and franks from slaughtering the Greeks,
> then there was the barbarian Mongolians, killing
> everyone Attila the hun, as people got religious
> the dark ages of killing declined, the Renaissance
> came.

Humans had morals and ethics before Monotheism.
Monotheists just co-opted morality and sold it back to us as if we couldn’t be moral w/o their white supremacist patriarchal hierarchy. It worked quite effectively and still os

As a Catholic child attending weekly religion classes, I was taught the ten commandments, including "Thall shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife." I had no idea what the nun was talking about. I grew up to be a decent person because my parents were decent people who took the time to raise me.



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I'd probably give them a very long stare and then say, "If that's who you think you'd be if you ever stopped being religious, then I hope you never question your faith."

It's a Freudian slip of theirs that they see raping kids as desirable. It's also a projection of that desire onto YOU so that they don't have to see or face its ugliness in themselves. They can criticize you in proxy of criticizing themselves for having these feelings and thus try to trick themselves into not feeling guilty over them.
I suggest putting yourself as far away from this sick mind as possible. I find that these people could plant thoughts in your head you never even considered—and then after that, getting them out is like trying to rid yourself of an earworm.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2022 03:05AM by miner8.

We duct tape our zippers?

*Do'h



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/02/2022 03:07AM by Lot's Wife.

Hmmmm. I would say it's safe to assume the majority of people have zero desire to rape kids. I would like to think it's a few sickos who frankly deserve worse than a milestone around their neck.