It's titled "The Mormon pioneers wouldn’t trade us places? I doubt it." https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/11/13/mormon-pioneers-wouldnt-trade-us/

It's kinda cute but it has some pretty funny lines in it. Here's an excerpt that illustrates how the Morg deals in fear:

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“People often say the pioneers wouldn’t trade us places because our challenges today are so overwhelming,” Eli stated.

[Her husband] wasn’t buying it, and he asked [Eli] to give him an example of a temptation from the modern world that would so terrify the pioneers.

“Well,” she said, “some people think the pioneers would be horrified with internet pornography.”

He was quiet for a moment, and then he pushed back.

“I’m pretty sure if I told the pioneers I could give them consistent access to hot water that comes out of a faucet in their climate-controlled home with down pillows in every room and a washer and dryer in the basement, and in exchange they just had to avoid looking at naked people through a piece of glass, I’d have some takers.”

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In the name of Jeebus, Amen.



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I had an ancestor in the Willie Handcart company. I’m currently sitting in a big comfy leather chair by a nice roaring fire smelling the fajitas my wife is cooking for dinner. Gee. Do you think my ancestor would like to race places with me? How’s that freezing snow feeling there at Devil’s Gate? You will survive and become part of a harem and be ran out off your farm by natives and have to relocate to another hell hole and live in poverty. I’m looking forward to ski season.

My ancestors were in the Willey Company too. They got to Florence, NE (Winter Quarters) the said “F*** this! We’re staying here!”

Sometimes I am embarrassed by the wealth of material abundance I enjoy.

The interesting thing is that my Depression-era grandmother, who had no modern conveniences whatsoever, felt that my 50s-60s suburban mom had it harder because my mom was constantly in her car, ferrying us about.

They had pornography then. They had sexual feelings then. They had fraud and corruption back then.The reason we have our modern conveniences is because people decided they didn't like the contemporary ways. It was never a requirement.

Anybody who wants to these days can "go back" to the old ways. It's real easy. Don't like electricity? Turn off your lights. Don't like refrigeration? Don't buy a fridge. Don't like automobiles? Don't buy one. And on and on. There are plenty of people who do just that in America. The old ways were never outlawed. You really are not required by law to purchase processed foods or even commercially manufactured soap. Like you, I really fail to understand the mind set of the people who say these things.



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My Grandfather was born in the 1880s.

He saw or experienced:

The first automobile, aircraft, zephlin, radio, television, cable tv, vcr, telephone and space travel.

He benefited from vaccines, advanced medicine, electronics, xrays etc.

He never complained he could drive his trucks, tractors or used mechanical milk machines.

He had ice cream every night from his refrigerator/freezer.

He used an electric stove and microwave.

I know he would never trade them all to live like his parents.

Oh and he had a lifetime subscription to national geographic that I inherited.

One last thing.

Then grandpa applied the brakes to his truck, he instinctively pulled back on the wheel.

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Ah!  So he was a pilot in WWI?

No, his horse was a pilot in WWI

Not a pilot. Just old habits from riding his horse/driving a rig.

He was in a cavalry unit prior to "The great war"

“Well,” she said, “some people think the pioneers would be horrified with internet pornography.” Are "some people" assuming that internet viewing of pornography is mandatory?

I suppose *she* was saying that "for a friend" who was obsessed with pornography the way Mormons are. There has always been pornography-- some of it making it into museums like Greek Vases and Japanese wood cuts.

"Some people". Love that phrase. Some people.


My handcart ancestors and the ones who came other ways were just trying to leave a life they didn't like and construct a new one by doing some heavy lifting. Church wasn't their whole life. It was only part of it and for many a way to be part of a group rather than going on your own to a new settlement that came with promise. Mormons had a unique gimmick that appealed. But the life promised was the real draw.

"Heavy lifting" like the pioneers did in the olden days has gone the way of the dinosaurs for most---but doing your own is still the secret to a good life. You get old you appreciate what you had the guts to do, the chances you dared take, more than what was handed to you==from which you had to find a way to escape.

Convenience handed to us by the latest technology is only that. Convenience. Which may be robbing us more than anything else. No gun necessary. We surrender so easily nowadays.

in mormonism UNTIL they made it my problem to save my husband and, even that idea didn't bother me, except I was supposed to give him enough sex to satisfy him so he wouldn't go out looking for a man. I was supposed to sacrifice my chastity that they had indoctrinated me into to save a man.

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE.

So they had a way of dealing with "pornography" and not getting enough sex, hey let's be married to more than one woman at a time. How about how many did BY have?

The reality is if a man cheats, it is the wife's fault as she wasn't satisfying him.

Like I pointed out to my past friend if a man cheats, it is HIS FAULT. Like Dr. Phil said once, "You weren't just walking down the street and your clothes fell off."

I have a great grandmother who was a polygamist's wife. She was left in Trenton to take care of the farm with her kids while her husband and the other 2 wives lived in St. George. As Zina Huntington I believe said something like (I read it in In Sacred Loneliness) that you don't expect to have emotional intimacy with her husband. Hell, I thought that is what marriage was about, so the man gets his needs met, but the women are just sex slaves.

I remember them talking about how the pioneers would prefer to stay in that time and not deal with what we go through. Well, the leaders always accommodate the men UNLESS you are gay. You can only have sex with women.

Silly rabbit, trials are for pioneers! Boy could they sing and walk.



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briantchrist Wrote: Good article on the SL Trib you might want to check out


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> It's titled "The Mormon pioneers wouldn’t trade
us places? I doubt it."
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Mormons were NEVER pioneers... they simply followed (blind leaders)...

I doubt I'll read about it. Mormons are in a bubble, separate from society at large,

I may interpret it...
But I doubt I could stomach it.

That was pure gold.

Now, ladies & germs, back to the Real* news.