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Posted by: Papa Ken ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 05:03PM

Joseph Smith, Jr.......lied.
Brigham Young..........lied.
John Taylor............lied. (My ancestor)
Wilford Woodruff.......lied.
Lorenzo Snow...........lied. (My ancestor)
Joseph F. Smith........lied.
Heber Grant............lied.
George Smith...........lied.
Joseph Field Smith.....lied.
Harold Lee.............lied.
Spencer Kimball........lied.
Ezra Benson............lied.
Howard Hunter..........lied.
Gordon Hinkley.........lied.
Thomas Monson..........lied.
Russell Nelson.........LIES. Why wouldn't he continue?

I remember singing "An Honest Mormon Boy" and wishing I could have been as honest as those guys. HA! It's disheartening now to know that I was being FAR MORE honest than they.

Disgusted PapaKen

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 06:17PM

See my article "Mormon Lying" at http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htm

It has all the details, and more examples.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 07:41PM

I have appreciated your work for years. Thank you.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 06:39PM

What? You're only related to TWO of them? Great to see you around, Papa Ken.

Lying appears to be in vogue lately. The bigger the lie with associated hypocrisy, the more people hunker down to defend it. When we are kids singing about honest Mormon boys, we had no clue, did we!

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 06:53PM

How do you start a religion without lying?

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 07:03PM

>> It's disheartening now to know that I was being FAR MORE honest than they.

Even as a nevermo, I feel that sentiment has a broad application. It's like those in power often take the rest of us to be chumps. Sincerity and an effort to do right are qualities of the little people in their eyes. No wonder they encourage confession and repentance. That benefits them, not us.

The Mormon 2nd annointing tells you everything you need to know about Mormon leaders. The rules are for other people, not them.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: March 04, 2023 11:51PM

Hinkley gets one point for not stating he was a prophet, only saying he was sustained as such.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2023 01:47AM

He said that on national TV fully aware that claiming to be a prophet of God would make him look like the buffoon he is. His faux humility attests to his sense of public relations and nothing more.

Meanwhile he told his followers that he was a prophet every time he sat in GC and let others call him such, or let the assembly vote to sustain him in that role. Please don't let him off the hook for that.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: March 05, 2023 01:48AM

For what it's worth, I think Hinckley was among the coldest and most cunning of modern LDS prophets. There was far more calculation in him than empathy.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: March 05, 2023 08:13AM

"For a five dollar fee, I will set you free, nearer my God to thee..."
https://youtu.be/XbTEusaf2nU

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: March 05, 2023 08:08AM

It was a scam from the beginning
It was a con then and ever shall be
Fraud without end,
Amen, Amen!

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